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Can I make a milkshake using SF Ice Cream?

Can I make a milkshake using SF/Low fat ice cream-I am probably going to put protein powder in it, but I am not sure at this moment. Also since sf ice cream is like a liquid, how much can others eat of it. I am also going to use some sf atkins choc. syrup? Will this be ok — TotallyTori (posted on May 3, 2003)

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May 3, 2003
You should use Ice,water and a protein powder like muscle milk, 32 g of protein per serving. It also taste good, and it only has 6g of sugers (sucalose) per serving so it will not make you dump. good luck and try to remember what lead us to WLS (SF/Low fat ice cream ?)
— sanfam93

May 3, 2003
I have to agree with Jose, the previous poster. I would not chance using SF icecream. There is LOADS of lactose, (milk sugar) in that stuff, and would probably make you dump. Try to chose something more WLS friendly if you have a sweet tooth. I know I can't fool myself into thinking that SF foods didn't make me gain weight... I lived on them and got very big.
— Happy I.

May 3, 2003
As long as its a occasional TREAT such a shake is fine. Milk is suggested by many nutronists. But DONT make it a habit!!!! It could cause weight regain.
— bob-haller

May 3, 2003
water, ice, and ice cream-sounds disgusting to me-Sorry. I appreciate the posts thus far, I don;t have a problem with milk and I use milk to bled with my protein shakes, 4oz of milk and 4 oz of water, so total a day I only have 8oz of milk,but I am not going to mix water with ice cream, I hear people eating protein bars all day long and they are loaded with fat and calories-I don;t really think milk sugar is going to make me gain weight, and I could be wrong but I have seen plenty of post-opers say that they drink and tolerate milk, as do I. I also don;t understand what is wrong with sf ice cream,a 1/2 cup is 110 cals-I don't think that is bad, and I figure as long as it is calculated into my daily calories 800cals tops at 8 weeks, that I should be fine.
— TotallyTori

May 3, 2003
Hey, Tori. "I" understand. We're still at the "boring" stage. Last night I made my "shake" with an 80 calorie (Axelrod's, not sure if it's available in Philly) vanilla yogurt, 1 or 2 oz of skim plus, 5ish ice cubes and the powder. It was truly yummy and thick. I ate it with a spoon. How many calories? I guess about 10 for the milk, 80 for the yogurt, and 90 for the powder. I think a 180 calorie "treat" is great! You're doing swell. Don't worry, I understand. BTW, I ordered the nectar, very cherry berry. Well, I think its berry gross by itself. So instead of flushing my money away, I added 1/2 scoop of the berry cherry and a 1/2 scoop of designer whey chocolate to water and ice and had myself a cherry garcia treat!! Proteinly yours! and good luck! Your friend, Mary
— msmaryk

May 3, 2003
Everyone is different....give it a try! But as with everything watch your portion and calories. I am suppose to get 4 servings of milk a day. I have some Blue Bunny no sugar added creamscicles that I ocasionally have as a milk but not often since they don't have as much protein as other milk products do. And as a side note...I've had potatoes everyday since surgery and now I can have pasta. Like I said everyone is different and following different dietary instructions. I myself believe in a balanced diet.
— Sarahlicious

May 3, 2003
I occasionally throw some sf ice cream (about a scoop) into a protein drink. I use Lactaid when I use chocolate or vanilla protein powders. Since surgery I have had a problem drinking choc and van and I get sick of the fruit flavored ones. I throw the ice cream in to make it more palatable. I have done it twice in 16 weeks but both times I had no problem.
— susanje

May 3, 2003
I never used the protien powders, but as an early post op I used both Healthy Choice Vanilla and their Mint SF ice cream to make milk shakes. :) Very tasty when nothing else tasted good.
— Danmark

May 3, 2003
I am just shocked at the amount of carbs many of you are putting in your bodies. Where's the protein that is supposed to be the focus for WLS patients? Sugar aside all of these various SF ice creams etc. are loaded with carbs and many times fat. Good thing I never was into shakes much before surgery. I bought some no sugar added ice cream bars a few weeks ago that have 12 grams of carbs (including 2 grams of sugar) and I had a hard time bringing myself to even try it as I rarely eat 12 grams of carbs in a meal. It does have a little bit of protein, like a few grams but I am not using them as a meal but as an occassional snack. I won't be eating them much as normally my snacks, if I have any, are protein. I guess I am the weird one but my plan says PROTEIN.
— zoedogcbr

May 3, 2003
Chris...I am happy for you and your weight-loss, but you have got to lighten up! Low carbs may be the way for you and many people out here, but it is not the *only* way. My nutritionist says protein FIRST, not protein exclusively. All of the three macronutriets - protein, carbs and fats - are needed. Protein is essential for growth and development. It provides the body with energy, and is needed for the manufacture of hormones, antibodies, enzymes, and tissues. It also helps maintain the proper acid-alkali balance in the body. Protein provides energy at 4 calories per gram, but it is more important as the body's building material. Carbohydrates supply the body with the energy it needs to function. They are found almost exclusively in plant foods, such as fruits, vegetables, peas, and beans. Milk and milk products are the only foods derived from animals that contain a significant amount of carbohydrates. Fats are used to make skin and body oils, regulate your body by forming hormones, insulate and pad internal organs, carry fat-soluble vitamins throughout the body, help repair damaged tissue and fight infections, and provide a source of energy. The mixture of protein/carbs/fats in the diet should be - in a maintenance mode - about 30%/50%/20%. During the window of opportunity, you could probably flip the first two numbers and go 50%/30%/20%, but you really don't want to eliminate the carbs from your diet - especially if you are exercising. Athletes before a competition don't protein load - they carb load. This is because the carbs provide the energy for their exercise. I wouldn't drink these milk shakes 100% of the time, because I believe in moderation in everything we eat. But the person is getting protein from the SF/low fat ice cream and protein from the milk and protein from the protein powder, so the drink won't be completely without nutritional benefit...JR
— John Rushton

May 3, 2003
I am currently 20mths out, and let me say that looking for that perfect sugarfree dessert is not a good thing. You are just substituting worse crap for something else. For 1, just because it is sugar free, doesn't mean it is calorie free. 2. I don't know about you, but I became lactose intolerant after surgery and a shake made from any type of dairy product would definetly make me dump...sugarfree or not. 3. The last poster was correct, check out the carbs! Check out the carbs on any reduced fat or low fat or sugar free item...you will find sometimes the carb count is DOUBLE the amount of the "real stuff." If you are looking for a protein shake with a little umph to it...just use water & icecubes & a little REGULAR fat peanutbutter (reduce fat has more sugar & more carbs than regular) and that will give you some thickness. The little bit of peanut butter takes away the "proteiny" taste. I like the Champion Nutrition Pure Protein Whey Stack in chocolate - it mixes with 5 ounces of water & you don't even need to use a blender if you don't want to. Again, try to stay away from the s/f desserts. They aren't going to help you lose weight.
— Ilene M.

May 4, 2003
Contrary to some of the more drastic anti-carb opinions, I think I feel more normal if I do allow myself an occasional treat. And to me, I couldn't go on living without ice cream in some form!!! I've made "shakes" with both protein powder and No Sugar Added Carnation Instant Breakfast. I love the Blue Bunny NSA Ice Creams, available in reduced fat or fat free. Throw an envelope of vanilla NSA CIB or a scoop of protein powder, in with 1/2 - 1 cup milk, a couple small scoops of ice cream and some frozen strawberries...yum, yum, yum! You can also try it with chocolate powder and add your SF syrup, with or without berries. Another thing to liven up CIB or protein powder is a scoop of frozen Cool Whip Lite and some berries, not so much a milkshake but creamy and tasty. I just make sure I don't do this daily! :o Enjoy!
— Anna L.

May 4, 2003
Not to get off the subject, but I have never counted any calories, carbs....nothing! My surgeon set a goal on protien and I try to get it all in everyday. I was told I'd never have to worry about that stuff again(counting calories and carbs)and I sure don't, just watch the sugar and high fat foods so I don't dump! I don't want to ever diet again! I lost over 100lbs in the first 6mo and I was a featherweight(as I have been called, so I should have lost slower). I eat crystal light slurpees, SF candy and ice cream, chips...ect. In moderation and I get my protien in and im still losing :o) We all do this our own way and we know our Doctors and nutritionists all tell us something different, for we all had different surgeries at different locations. Now as for the shake(lol)....SF ice cream, a scoop of powder protien and a couple scoops of No Sugar added Nestle Quick chocolate milk powder Mmmmm it's so good! I can drink about 1 cup myself, just takes me a long time lol. Good luck and enjoy!
— Sandy M.

May 4, 2003
I do not believe one should go without carbs...My Doctor says that this surgery is to aid you in being a normal eating person. Normal people eat carbs. And YES, our bodies need carbs...so with that said here is a treat I like...One of the things I missed most was a banana split and I was craving one so much...well..in answer to my delima here is what I came up wiht...OCCASIONALLY....OK?....one half an banana split, add three small scoops of S/F vanilla ice cream, one teaspoon s/f strawberry jam, one teaspoon fresh pineapple crushed, and melt in the micowave two hershey semi sweet cubes with a smidgen of milk and pour over then top with ready whip and nuts....heaven and I never can eat the whole thing so my husband who has never weighed over 140...helps..:)))
— Oldsoul

May 4, 2003
I don't think that anyone is saying not to have any carbs. I eat carbs all the time...it is where you get your carbs from that you need to watch. I choose to get my carbs from fruits and vegtables. Does this mean that I don't eat bread, pasta, or desserts? HECK NO. I eat it all, just not all the time. It also depends how far out you are. Constantly looking for that ultimate sugar free dessert is just a license to eat more of it. Me, I stick to my 3 bite rule...I have 3 bites of the real thing and I am done. AND not 3 GIGANTIC bites, three normal bites. You just have to be smart about your CALORIE intake. :)
— Ilene M.

May 4, 2003
John, You mean to tell me you have lost all the weight you have and were eating sugar free ice cream and lots of carbs at 2 months PO. From what I have read of your posts I do not think that is the case. People who are significantly post-op are in a whole different than early PO. This person is an early PO. My eating plan uses max ketosis so cutting carbs to less than 30 grams per day is critical. It will not be this way forever. Any carbs I eat usually come from veggies and occassionally fruit and the very infrequent s/f ice cream bar I mentioned earlier. I have no intention of not ever eating carbs again like more fruit and bread etc. assuming I can tolerate it. But indulging in significant carbs early on can trigger all kinds of cravings for an early PO. I think it would be helpful if people clarified how far out when they started some of these things. I realize some eating plans have lots of carbs and people are allowed to eat mashed potatoes and grits, bread etc. from very early on. They are on a plan that does not use ketosis very much so therefore they must get a certain amount of calories and therefore a lot will have to come from carbs. The ratios you list for protein etc. are drastically different from an eating plan that uses max ketosis. For 6 weeks it was nothing but protein. Then like max 15% of your intake can be from veggies, fruit and other carbs. That means 85% is protein. Once I am to to a maintenance eating plan I still must take in at least 50% protein always. I have a very small pouch and therefore protein will always be more important than to someone who has a larger pouch and will likely be able to eat more food than I will. All I know is that eating s/f foods and tons of carbs is what brings most people to WLS, so why at 2 months out would someone want to start tempting themselves with shakes. I guess they have tons more willpower than I assume I would have at this point if I tried to venture into sweets etc. For my body, eating normal, will always have to mean that I limit the amount of refined carbs as they have been my downfall my entire life and I do not think I am an odd ball in this situation.
— zoedogcbr

May 4, 2003
In addition, my 3 month labs all came back wonderful, so my eating plan is not harming me in any way. By 4-6 months it will be changing and will include more carbs, which I plan to provide through more veggies and fruit and the occassional bit of refined carbs or sweets, but just a bite as I really am not looking forward to dumping, so right now I chose to live in fear of dumping. Chris
— zoedogcbr

May 4, 2003
Hi-original poster here again. First off, to all who responded than you so much. As for Chris D., I do eat protein first all the time, and veggies if I have room, I hvae stayed away from carbs a whole hell of alot, and I did not have this surgery not to be able to live a normal life, to become one oft hose post-ops obsessed with never eating a carb again,never having sugar-do I want to gain my weight back-of course not I've lost 40lbs in 7 weeks, so something must be damn good. If you intend to obsess over this and that and eating this and counting that then that is your choice-I had this surgery to lose and maintain a healthy weight, not to obsess about what the calorie.fat.protein ration etc is-the main goal is to eat healthy, exercise and live-you can;t live a normal pos-op life if you can;t eat in moderation-I have the willpower to make my surgery a success, I may not have had much be4 surgery, but I damn sure do now seeing this weight off, maybe you need to have more willpower and discipline because if you did you would be able to enjoy sf/lowfat.nofat.regular sugar or whatever as an occasional snack and not criticize someone else for stepping up to do so. So thank you for your opinion, but I have plenty health advice from other posters as well as self discipline to suceed-I hope you find some of your own-insecuirty over food is an issue you seem like you need to deal with. To everyone else thank you for your wonderful posts.PEace
— TotallyTori

May 4, 2003
I've never counted carbs. I was told to eat protein first, and supplement with protein shakes, in order to get 70-90 grams per day. I do look at sugar content, but I admit it, I eat regular sugar, in MODERATION. That's what this surgery has done for me. I have the power to make better food choices, because I don't feel like I'm starving all the time. Yanno? I eat a balanced diet with protein first, then whatever else I want, if there's room. In MY opinion, the occaisonal treat is a GOOD thing. But, I try to have a protein shake before I have anything sweet. For me, it helps me eat less sugar. I don't crave it, if I eat more protein. THAT said, your shake idea sounds good to me! I can't tolerate milk very much, or else I would probably eat the SF ice cream occaisonally. I have seen a lot of SF syrups, but never tried those either. Lemme know how your shake turns out! Hang in there!
— Diana L.

May 4, 2003
Chris - I go protein first, and I try to watch my carbs, but I don't restrict them to the extent that you do. If I want some baked potato, I'll eat some baked potato. However, it's only 1/2 a baked (max) and no butter/margarine or sour cream on it. I've eaten Wendy's chili since week 3 and that's got carbs in it too. There are other carbs that I eat, but I don't overdo them - I eat them in moderation. And it's after I get my protein in. Last night at dinner (it was Geri's and mine 18th wedding anniversary), I ordered a backfin crab cake for dinner, but at about 25% of it. I ordered a salad and that was so good (with a strawberry vinaigrette (sp?) dressing on it) that I ate that. Not many calories and it filled me up. And I took the rest of the crab cake home and had it later. Geri - her last meal before her 2-day liquid diet (she's getting her Lap RNY on Tuesday) - had the Lobster and Crab Stuffed Mushrooms as an appetizer (her favorite) and the Rock Lobster Tail for dinner. I'm not perfect...I've become less strict on myself as I've gotten further out and am only 42 pounds from goal (which will be a total of 214 pounds lost when I get there). But I am definitely eating healthier than I did pre-op and it's a diet that I will be able to stay on for the long-term and maintain my weight or even continue to lose at a slower rate. I never was a believer in Atkins - not when I tried him 27 years ago at the age of 18 nor now...JR
— John Rushton

May 4, 2003
Victoria, The bottom line is I am following my surgeon's plan as close to 100% as much as possible. He has been doing WLS for 15 years and has many successful patients. As John and many others have posted in the past, it is very important to follow your surgeon's eating plan for at least 6 months. My plan requires me to greatly restrict carbs for now. I will be crossing the 100 lbs lost mark probably within a week or 2, so I have nothing to apologize for. I am almost 13 weeks out. Ask your surgeon what he thinks about ice cream of any kind at 2 months PO and I doubt it would be high on his list of appropriate foods. Maybe a bite or two but not a whole shake. I'm very glad for you that at 2 months out you have everything figured out and are able to control your eating like the PO's who are way out. Just please do yourself a favor and keep your eyes open because it is not all going to be peaches and cream and don't for a second ever think you will never struggle with food again. This surgery did not suddenly fix your pre-op eating issues. They are still there just hidden by the honeymoom euphoria. Go to the yahoo graduate page and read. It's a real eye opener. I have a very realistic understanding of what my eating issues are and how to work on dealing with them and that is exactly what I am doing. Taking a proactive approach to find ways to deal with them because I know they did not suddenly go away because someone cut open my gut. I'm sure everything will go perfect for you since you have everything under control.
— zoedogcbr

May 4, 2003
One other component here is that I have a whole lot of weight to lose. 260 lbs if I get to some ideal number in an insurance book. So for me it is critical to get as much weight off in the early post-op period, 6-8 months. We all know the weight loss slows down the further out we get, well by one year I hope to be within 50 lbs of that final number. It will be a struggle to get all the way but it is going to take quite a bit of restriction of food and especially carbs to lose 260 lbs. I was a carb aholic before surgery and I have been amazed how well I have done without them. If I really want something I have it but just 1-2 bites. I really haven't missed the pasta, sweets etc. Since many of you feel I am obsessed then I guess my surgeon is also, as this is his plan. However, I am willing to follow it because he has many great success stories behind him with super morbidly obese patients. He gives us a tiny pouch, longer bypass and avoids the carbs to maximize ketosis to burn fat. The more carbs you put into your body the less your body will burn off fat. This is a fact not my opinion. Read about ketosis and learn for yourself. I lost 3 pants sizes in about 4-5 weeks, even though my weight loss was only around 30 lbs. It went for the fat on my gut, which was great. I'm now about ready to lose the 5th pants size. At 355 lbs I am wearing 3X and a few 2X things. All my pre-op clothes are history and things I haven't worn for 2-3 years are being given away this next weekend. I certainly plan to be eating similar to the people who are very post op at the same stage they are now. I'm not sure I will ever be able to eat 1/2 a baked potato but I will eat a bunch. Now if I have any it's 1 or 2 small bites and that's fine with me. I can only eat 1/2 cup of food per meal so there isn't much room for carbs of any kind if I am going to keep my protein intake up around 50-60 grams. I realize this plan is not what every surgeon uses but for me it is great because it does not use any protein supplements, which I detest.
— zoedogcbr

May 5, 2003
Chris, I think John and the others were taking issue with your first post that said you were "shocked" by Victoria's use of SF ice cream, and "where was her protein". One thing I think you have seen here on this board and the graduate board for those further post-op is that there are different eating plans and they all seem to get you there with some help on your end to eat right, exercise, water intake etc. Eating as your doctor has advised is not meant for everyone, and while it would most likely work for everyone, not everyone prefers to get their weight off the same way. I never did count carbs, just ensured that protein always came, and still does, first-then the veggies and fruits and if I have room left over (which I usually don't) the carb. I do have carbs in protein bars, and in snacks and have chosen not to count them. Its worked for me to get me within 7 pounds of goal. So, please, while we appreciate that you have alot of weight to lose, and I certainly admire your dedication and willingness to work so hard to get there (and I'm sure you will!) comments like you are "shocked" are not received well. Victoria, yes you can use SF ice cream and SF syrup in your protein shake. Just watch the calories. Try drinking just a small amount in the beginning to see how your system handles it though. As a new post-op, ya never know how new things work with the pouch!
— Cindy R.

May 5, 2003
The bottom line is many of you posting to this question are a year or more post op and I believe telling a 2 mo PO to eat the same way you do now is not giving the best possible advice. Many of you keep saying I am chosing to eat this way - this is not true. I believe I have seen many people on this board and others tell everyone to follow their surgeon's eating plan for at least 6 months. Am I wrong? This is what I am doing! Would I prefer to eat lots of carbs etc - probably, as long as they didn't make me sick. Would I then be following what my surgeon has asked me to do - No. My surgeon uses this plan with both MO and SMO and the MO don't seem to have a problem following it either. So I'm not sure why everyone wasn't directing Victoria to follow her surgeon's plan and ask her surgeon if she could use S/F ice cream. Most of you answering and saying yes you use it are so far out from being 2 months PO. I understand that being further PO allows you to eat different things and not be as strict. I did not say I was shocked at just Victoria I just could ot believe the amount of people who are chosing to put ice cream of any sort etc. in their mouths on what seemed like a fairly regular basis. I beleive most WL plans indicate that protein has to be the priority for the rest of your life and at first it's really important to be the main focus. I do not count carbs as everyone thinks, I just happen to have a reasonable idea of the things I eat how many carbs are in it. I educated myself early on by reading labels so I could make good informed decisions. I focus mainly on how much protein is in each item and then look at carbs. Yes I chose many times not to buy something because it has what I consider quite a bit of carbs. I do not count calories or pay a ton of attention to fat grams as I know in general the things I chose are very reasonable in fat. I have heard John and others post many times that "just because you can eat it, doesn't mean you should". They then proceed to ask the person why did they bother to have WLS if they are going for the foods that got us to WLS to begin with. So why is this situtaion different? Yes "shocked" was a strong word and I'm sorry if everyone was offended. I just could not believe how many people were telling a 2 mo post-op to go for the ice cream and other stuff, yet many were long-term post-ops who can get by with eating this stuff. Like someone else said, eating sugar free stuff is how many people got to WLS.
— zoedogcbr

May 5, 2003
Chris D, WLS god, forgive us for sins.
— Sarahlicious

May 5, 2003
AMOS MOD HERE Everyone PLEASE be nice. I tell everyone to be very diet compliant during the quick loss phase fore best overall results. Early compliance can be the difference of getting to goal or remaining obese. Its up to the individual to decide whats best for them. New post ops need to know this.
— bob-haller

May 5, 2003
Sorry for my previous post...it is nice to have people share their experience but too much unsolicited advise gets to be annoying especially since everyone is different....gained weight differently, chose WLS for different reasons and have different post-op nutrition guidelines to follow.
— Sarahlicious

May 5, 2003
Sarah - GET A LIFE!
— zoedogcbr

May 5, 2003
Woah! Peeps!! Put down those cartons of S/F ice cream and back away from them ... slowwwly ... with your hands up where we can see 'em!This is one of those threads that shows how much pressure we put on ourselves as post-ops, because we're all so very paranoid (and rightfully so) about how to make the surgery work for us. Many of us who lost weight at a nice clip did so by doing stuff that others of us who *also* lost weight nicely might find downright appalling, as too "rigid" or as too "undisciplined." The question here was, "can I" make a milkshake with s/f ice cream. Yep, 'course you can. "Should I" is a different question entirely. At two months out, I wouldn't have made that choice. However, I did have a couple of bites of apple pie a la mode at that stage once (with regular "mode" ... not sugar free). I survived (happily). To each his/her own.I don't believe in limiting carbs as severely as Chris does, but I absolutely have always counted them, and try hard just to keep my protein grams just ahead of (or maybe equal to) my carb grams. I can't maintain that ratio without protein shakes, however, which I actually like (go ahead ... pelt me with s/f ice cream now if you must). I do not now, nor will I ever, trust myself with too many (noncomplex) carbs. Personal experience has taught me that they really prompt awful, relentless cravings for more of the same if I'm not super-careful to limit them, make compromises to counterbalance them, or just absolutely keep many of them out of the house and away from me in any measurable amount. More power to those who can handle them without a big problem, but I can't.And I don't think it's really fair to suggest that someone who is pretty Spartan about carbs (on doctor's orders, no less) lacks discipline and willpower. At two months out, you don't need a lick of discipline or willpower to lose weight with the pouch. You'll lose no matter what you plop into it, at that stage. Give it time, but recognize that for many, many people, living "normally" after WLS will *not* mean you can eat whatever you want. Chris seems to understand this very well already; I'm still learning it; and I'm not convinced some folks who were pretty hard on Chris have even begun to glimpse that reality yet.
— Suzy C.

May 5, 2003
The only problem I see with mixing sugar free ice cream into a shake is that you are creating a high-calorie beverage which is really the enemy to the WLS patient. I think the fear of carbs is secondary. I know I ate a lot of sugar free yogurt as an early postop and even now and I still lost weight. Also, there are a lot of carbs in milk and many surgeons and nutrionists recommend that. My doctor nor his nutritionist ever said anything about restricting carbs. In fact sugar free popcicles, milk and toast were part of their eating plans. However; we were supposed to stay away from sugar for one year. No, I didn't do it, but I tried my best!
— Lisa N M.

May 6, 2003
Geez, I think you have to give yourself a lot of credit for looking for, at least, a lower calorie, higher nutrition solution here! You know, you could just go out to the nearest ice cream shop and get a big ol' chocolate shake, and never post anything here. I seriously doubt you plan to live on this item, but I suspect it is something you plan to treat yourself with. How much are we talking here - maybe a 4-6 oz shake? Even once a week, it won't kill your weigh loss, but if it is an alternative to an unhealthy choice, go for it. I confess that I have Pierre's Slender Butter Pecan ice cream in my freezer. I can eat about 1/2 cup, and maybe once a week. Pre-op, I absoutely loved ice cream. My DH and I would have a big bowl every night, and it was never the sugar free, low fat stuff, believe me! If you miss having a chocolate shake, make one and enjoy it!
— koogy

May 6, 2003
I scream, you scream, we're all screaming about ICE CREAM? Oh, come on.... So, Tori, did you have the shake or not!? I really want to know, and I'm sure ALL of these others do, too. I had some HC NSA Mint Chip last night. It was good, but the sorbitol gave me soooo much gas, so it wasn't worth eating again any time soon. I guess "the tool" works. I still say you're doing GREAT!! You go, girl!! Proteinly yours, Mary P.S. I ate 2 french fries 1 week ago. (I am still human and tempted by food!!!) Boy, those two were goooood and that's ALL I wanted. I don't want more even now!! What a difference from my pre-op fried food obsession days!! Keep up the good work, Tori!! It's all a learning experience.
— msmaryk

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