Question:
Are liquids a requirment post-op?

Is an all liquid diet following surgery imperative? Doctors seem to vary on this. I am 4 days post op and so hungry. Jello, broth, popsicles and propel are not enough!Why do some Drs let you have full liqids (cream soups, oatmeal and pudding) while others allow real food thats chewed well? I dont want to overindulge but I am so HUNGRY!    — maria R. (posted on August 31, 2003)


August 30, 2003
Four to five days post-op were the worst for me. I think that most Dr.'s prefer liquids in the first week or two atleast to allow some time for your stomach to heal. I was very hungry all the time in the beginning weeks; however, at one week post-op I asked my Dr. if he could increase my diet earlier than the normal two weeks and he did. Perhaps you could tell your Dr. that you are feeling very hungry and see if he will allow you to introduce some new soft foods this early on. If not, hang in there it DOES get better. Take care and best of luck. Denise 280/177/150
   — denisel

August 30, 2003
You are right, different doctors, different plans for different reasons. I didn't have a hunger problem in my stomach, it was in my head. Once I got past "head hunger" I was ok. I did get very bored with my choices. So I went to the library on this site for creative food ideas and when I tried the recipes I found, I became for satisfied with my meals. Best wishes
   — M B.

August 30, 2003
Personally I think it comes down to the surgeon trusting their patients. Most assume a patient will not comply with chewing food to mush so they impose the liquids only plan on their patients. Many do fine with it but there are ones that do not and are always hungry - real hunger not head hunger. It makes total sense to be hungery as NOTHING stays in your pouch to give you any sort of a full feeling. <p>Fortunately for me my surgeon believes in trusting his patients and that they will do what they are told and truthfully he has not had any problems. We are so compliant because we are scared to do something wrong that will cause a problem. So we take tiny bites and we chew till it doesn't even resemble food and wait between bites. You get a full feeling very quickly. My surgeon feels it helps to totally change your eating habits from the start. Start the new habits you will need for the rest of your life very quickly and during the time when you are most scared to do something wrong. After a while we all get bolder and challenge the rules. For the first time in our lives we get a full signal and if we do not listen to it we get sick. My first meal was 1/4 cup of egg beaters with 1/2 a slice of reduced fat american cheese, very soft and totally tolerable. However, I got the full signal early and only ate at most 1/2 of that. <p>The other reason that some surgeons require liquids is because they want a certain amount of protein and calories going in. If you are using carb free drinks then getting in 60 grams of protein in is not important at this stage. The same with food. The lack of carbs forces your body into max ketosis and keeps it there. If in max ketosis your body automatically protects the protein/muscles in your body and goes after the fat for energy. Many many surgeons do not go the zero carb route and allow things like mashed potatoes, oatmeal, pudding, cream soups etc etc., those plans must get in at least 600 calories because they could cause the body to go into starvation mode otherwise. I don't even eat the majority of that stuff now at 7 months. If I have carbs they are much better choices than that. Only the occassional mashed potatoes are eaten. If carbs are present then there is no guarantee that a body goes into ketosis at all or very much. Without being in ketosis one does have to be very careful of getting enough calories to avoid going into starvation mode. <p>The bottom line is the plans need to be paired up right. Food - no carbs - max ketosis or Protein drinks - carbs allowed - avoid starvation mode. I vote for the real food plan all the way. Some say you heal better with only liquids, there is nothing to support that. Again this assumes that we are not all adults and cannot follow orders to chew to mush. I believe we can be trusted to do that. Like I said you are so scared that you probably over chew. My surgeon does not have people blowing out their pouches. <p>I will not tell you to go aginst your surgeons plan but I do suggest you call them on Tuesday and tell them you are having a very difficult time complying with the program and could you eat some really soft foods. You need to let them know what you are doing. There may be some reason that your surgeon does something different in the surgery that the liquids are more critical. My surgeon not only staples everything, including the stoma, but then oversews all staples for extra assurance. He has many many many hundreds of patients out there to know this plan works. It is actually patterned after the plan the surgeon that did Carnie Wilson's surgery uses. I hope your surgeon is willing to compromise some to help you comply with the overall program.
   — zoedogcbr

August 31, 2003
My surgeon, believe it or not, had me on an 8-week liquid diet after surgery. Initially, I thought he was insane and sadistic! But he has been doing these surgeries for 30 years and believes that the longer wait to eat real food enables patients to 1) heal completely before starting *real* foods, 2) maximize weight loss, and 3) prevents problems like strictures, vomiting, and food intolerances. It was very difficult adhering to such a lengthy liquid diet but looking back I think my doctor was right - I have never vomited, never gotten food "stuck" and have been able to tolerate everything I've eaten since. But all patients are different and so are all surgeons. It would be in your best interest to do what your surgeon says but if it is really that difficult, give him a call and see if he will allow you at least some leeway. You should at least be able to try some SF yogurt or pudding or some thinned soups. Those kept me going during those long, boring weeks! Good luck to you!
   — MomBear2Cubs

August 31, 2003
One of the hardest things during the first few weeks is "head hunger". You have to learn the difference between your head telling you that you are hungry and your body actually needing food. If you respond to head hunger consistently, the surgery will not work for you as well. My doctor allowed full liquids the first couple of weeks as well as cottage cheese. By creatively adding spices to things, I got through it. But I had a constant fight learning the difference between my head telling me I needed to eat and my body telling me. Once I got a line on this it was easier. Instead of responding to it, I would go for a walk, read a book, watch TV, etc. I tried to maintain a schedule for eating and no veer from it no matter what my head was telling me. It does get easier. Hang in there.
   — Cathy S.

August 31, 2003
You will read of many many differing opinions on this subject. As a nurse I tend to agree with the post op liquid routine. It was the pits, but think about it... you've got raw healing tissue in there, (and I wanted to heal with NO complications!) I remember reading about some gal eating chips post op OUCH!!!
   — Denise W.

August 31, 2003
Jody M., There is nothing to indicate that people who do liquid diets maximize their weight loss any more than ones who eat foods. I was down 159 lb in 6-3/4 months on food only. Compliance with the post-op eating of foods is what maximizes weight loss. Making the right choices, staying away from carbs and getting exercise etc. maximizes weight loss, nothing else.
   — zoedogcbr

August 31, 2003
Chris, that isn't what I said. I was not implying that lengthy liquid diets were best for maximum weight loss although I believe that's what you read into it. I was simply giving my surgeon's justification for putting HIS patients on an 8 week liquid diet. And the length of the diet is only partially for weight loss - it is also, in his opinion, necessary for maximum healing before his patients begin eating normally. I also said that every surgeon is different and every post-op diet plan is different. Please re-read my post.
   — MomBear2Cubs

August 31, 2003
Hi, Maria: Please contact your surgeon on Tuesday and ask if they will let you advance to a full-liquid diet. Let them know that you are extremely hungry. My surgeon had me on the clear liquid diet for one meal in the hospital, and then advanced me to a full liquid. My surgeon wanted to be sure I could tolerate full liquids before I was released. <p>As the other posters have said, every surgeon has different opinions on this. However, I think it also has to go on a case-by-case basis. My friend, who had the surgery 4 weeks to the day before I did, called our surgeon at 5 weeks, saying she was getting hungry only 3 hours after eating (we are on a full liquid diet for 6 weeks); they told her that means she must be ready to move on to the next phase and allowed her to advance to stage 3.</p> <p>I'm sure if you call them and explain that you're really feeling hungry, not just head hunger, they will let you advance to full liquids. Just please be sure to measure out your food into 2 ounces, and do NOT eat more than that until you are cleared. You don't want to stretch your new pouch or get sick. Good luck, and God Bless! proximal lap rny, 08/19/03, -18 lbs.
   — Moysa B.

August 31, 2003
My surgeon believes that you increase the risk of developing strictures when you eat solid food too early. He believes that the food beating against the fresh healing stoma causes scar tissue to develop and this can lead to strictures. As far as the belief by some that their way is the only way, I beg to differ. My surgeon wants us to lead normal lives, and eat a normal diet. So the statement that the ONLY WAY to maximize weight loss doesn't fly. My weight loss was incredibly rapid (see my profile) and I did none of those three things mentioned (limiting carbs, exercise, right choices-I eat what I want!-I don't diet). We all have different beliefs and opinions of what works. As for me, I would never be so presumptuous as to state that my way is the only way to do something. Surgeons can not agree on what diet works post op. Again, what works for me may not work for you. But I would NEVER tell you or imply that my way was the ONLY way and nothing else. Shelley
   — Shelley.

August 31, 2003
Shelley, You are about the only RNY that has never had to limit carbs, exercise and make right choices. Consider yourself extremely lucky that you were blessed with being able to do whatever you want with no consequences. That is not reality for the rest of the RNY world. I never said the word diet. I do not diet but I have made the changes necessary to keep my body healthy which is mostly protein and limited carbs. This is not MY WAY this is the typical RNY WAY. What post-op plan, besides yours, says do not worry about what you eat, do whatever you want? Not many I suspect. <p>Whether you like it or not what I stated is the accepted truth about post-op RNY life. We do have to make choices and decide to avoid lots of sugar and stay cognizant of the quantity we eat and get in some minimal exercise. This is fact not fiction. Read the profiles on this website and see how many are doing just what I indicated - limiting carbs, exercise, and making right choices. YOUR WAY is far from the norm. My descirption is the norm and not MY WAY.
   — zoedogcbr

August 31, 2003
I started not to weigh in on this question, but then decided otherwise. I had my RNY almost 14 months ago. My surgeon had a very gradual plan to get you back to solid foods again. It took 8 weeks before Icould eat real food again. I followed the plan to the tee. Now this may or may not be scientific, but I have had zero problems with any foods.I have not vomited. I tolerate everything except the usual fats and sugars. I attribute this success to following the program and letting everything heal properly before pushing on to solid food. My surgeon stressed very much that the plan really needed to be followed to allow proper healing prior to passing more bulky foods through the system. Like I said, I have no scientific evidence to back me up, but I really feel that staying the course on my post-op diet really helped to improve the overall outcome of my surgery. Besides... it is only 8 weeks. In the big scheme of things, that is a very short time indeed, so why take chances? Besides, chances are you are feeling head hunger at this point. I know I sure did. Everytime I turned on the TV there was a big yummy pizza or something calling to me from an advertisement, but I wasn't really hungry. Please understand that I am not judging you, you may well be experiencing real hunger. I am just relating MY experience to you.
   — Greg P.

September 1, 2003
It is head hunger. You see what you are eating but You know that could not possibly fill you up. So your head tells you that you are hungry. However you are not. try drinking more water ( don't gulp) My dr let me have sugar free pudding. because it turned into liquid once it was in your stomach. That made me think I was eating something heavier. even though i was only eating like a 1/4 cup. I was told not chocalte because of the caffeine
   — spring A.

September 1, 2003
It is asy for those not haveing the tummy rumbles to say head hunger. I remember it well, I was so desparate I took a big bite of my grandsons cheeseburger about 2 weeks postop and was chewing away and was stricken with fear of messing up my pouch and spit it in the garbage. Now, I have to say taking a 3 year olds cheeseburger and biting it is desparate. how ever other than that moment of insanity I did follow the program pretty well out f fear of damaging my pouch and ruining my surgery. If you are so desaparately hungry , talk to YOUR SURGEON before doing any thing drastic. Only your Dr. knows your surgery and full medical history. Hang in there , those first weeks pass faster than you imagine.
   — **willow**




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