Question:
Which Surgery to Have ---WHY??? --- HELP ME DECIDE

I thought I wanted lap band, but then the doctor suggested bypass, but said the decision was mine to make. Well, I can't seem to make it. I change my mind from day to day usually after reading horror stories about people throwing up or dumping or sliming--I didn't even know what some of those terms were three months ago! I need to lose about 90lbs, am 59, and have diabetes- type 2. It sounds like there are so many limitations on what you can eat. Which procedure has the least limitations? I will follow the program strictly, but want to make the right decision. Please help. I am in month 4 of pre op and need to make a decison. I am going to the hospital's orientation tonight for the second time to ask questions. I am so confused right now.    — irish1214 (posted on April 22, 2008)


April 22, 2008
Only you can decide. I am 59, diabetes and Heart patient, DJD and metal rod in my back and two knee replacements and I decided the Lap Band 4-16-08. I am almost a week out and I have had no real problems. The protein shakes are the worst, there ones I have are really good but sometimes I just can't get them down. I feel like I am failing but I am down 8 pounds this past week so I guess I am doing something right. The gastric was out for me because of other factors with my heart and I was told the Lap Band was the best for me, I was scheduled for gastric but it didn't work out and I figured it was God sending me a message that the Lap Band is what I needed and I do not regret having the Lap Band. Good Luck in which ever you chose. God Bless.
   — dyates2948

April 22, 2008
I was 59 when I had RNY surgery. I needed to lose more than 80 pounds, so I had the RNY. My mom has diabetes, and I knew I was a candidate. If you watched the 60 Minutes program on CBS last Sunday, they had a segment on gastric by pass surgeries. Diabetes went away in all of the 8 people interviewed on the segment. The only real limitations are the amount of food, and for some, a few select foods that cause them problems. There are far more patients with no problems, than those that post with problems. As with any surgery, complications can arise. Support group attendance, participation in these forums, and asking your doctor any questions about "possible complications" from surgery--all of these will lead to the easiest transition from obesity. Yes, go to the orientation again and ask questions. Hopefully you'll have someone there who can speak both about lapband and RNY surgeries to address your concerns.
   — Dave Chambers

April 22, 2008
I hope that I can help. I had a hard time deciding, and I spent three years researching what to do and what doctor to do it with. What it got down to the facts, I had two freinds about my size have the lap band. One has done good, not great and the other lost 36 pounds over 2 years. He did not like the feeling after fills and just did not maintain it well. The other worked at it, but can get any more weight off and wants to lose another 100 lbs. I decided on RNY because I had diabites Type II for 25 years. I read a resarch document about test on ratss and a test that was being done in south aAmerica where they were curing diabites Type II by just moving the 1st third of the small intestine that absorbs fat and sugar. THat is what they do in RNY. I was told that since I was 62 and Diabitic for 25 years there was not the same chance of a total cure, but it would help for sure. I decided something was better than nothing. In less than a month I was off 9 diabetic drugs, and 4 months later and almost 100 pounds lighter, I have a A1C of 5.6. That is non diabitic. I take no drugs for diabities, blood pressure or colestroal, and never had more engery. I would have a RNY all over again. I went to a lot of Support groups and the happy people there were the RNY patients. Go for your self. Ask where you can go. You will be welcomed before surgery and you can talk first hand to the patients. The ones with the smiles are the RNY patients. It is a tool. Dumping is if you are stupid and don't follow the rules. I eat and entertain, go out and attent lots of parties, but I know what I can eat and drink and I am glad to do the right thing for the rest of my life, and I have just bought a lot more years. I want to get to 170, a weight that I had in the 7th grade. I will get there before the first year is up. I got about 75 more pounds to lose. CBS had a peice on RNY and spoke to several patients Sunday night. If you missed it, send me a email and I will send you a DVD I was again a lot of smiling faces so when I saw them I knew they all had RNY's. Best of success to you. --Bill
   — William (Bill) wmil

April 22, 2008
Something to consider. 80% of type 2 diabetics who have the gastric bypass reverse their diabetes almost immediately. That doesn't happen with the lapband, because there is no bypass of the duodenum. Some people who have the lapband and lose a significant amount of weight, can improve their diabetes but not to the same extent the gastric bypass can. Good luck on your decision.
   — [Deactivated Member]

April 22, 2008
I went back and forth too to make my decision. I chose bypass and I don't regret it. I read about all the problems too but for myself I haven't had any. I can eat anything in small quantities. As soon as I feel full...or start thinking "this doesn't taste that good" then I stop. I've never even thrown up...however I think I get a very slight dumping sensation. To be honest though, this is what keeps me from eating more. If I felt great and not full and was totally enjoying my meal, why would I stop eating? Know what I mean. I still cook and entertain and go out on vacations and to parties. I enjoy everything just like before...the only differenc is what I eat. And mentally this HAS been hard to adjust to. When I'm feeling hungry and think about the good food that is coming my way, then actually start to eat it's kind of a sad feeling that I have knowing I'm not going to be eating much of it. But once I get that full feeling, after a couple of bites, then I really don't care anymore. Does this make sense to you? You have to be totally ready to give up your old relationship with food and start a new one. My 60 lbs. less body in 3 months more than makes up for my mimi feelings of deprivation. Good luck MS.
   — cjjordan

April 22, 2008
I have 140 lbs to lose. I decided Lapband. I totally nixed gastric bypass a while back when I met someone who had gained his weight back, plus more and weighs over 400 lbs now. He can only seem to eat red meat and candy, anything else he gets sick on. And the thought of haiving my body permanently rearranged, didn't like the thought of that. Gastric bypass has some advantages. You do lose a lot of weight fast. But what are you giving up for that? I've lost 38 lbs since January. I'm a type 2 diabetic. My longlasting insulin has been cut by over 70%, my short acting at least 50%. I was on 3 different types of blood pressure medication (I'm 43) to me that's to much. I'm sure my grandma was rolling over in her grave:o) I am off of one of my bp medicines, one has been cut in half and the other is going to be cut soon. Where it would be nice if I could have gotten off all that medicine over night, I didn't add all that medicine or weight over night. A friend and I had no post op pain to speak of. They did give us pain meds, so I took them just because I wanted to be sure I wasn't in pain. Another friend had gas pain. You have to follow the diet and of course only use the band as a tool. And yes you have to get use to listening to your body. Food restrictions are that bad after the first 3 weeks. I haven't got sick (yet) and hopefully won't. I have found out that I can't eat swedish meatballs or peanuts right now because they actually make me fell like I have the flu. You just have to make the best food choices. Yes I've had chocolate, PMS, but just a little sample size. THE DECISION TO HAVE SURGERY IS THE BIGGEST DECISION, you've made it past that. Lap band isn't as invasive and down time is maybe 5 days a lot of people less; and isn't as expensive. BUT you do lose a lot faster with gastric. I am so thankful that I did get lapband. Have you gone to any support group meetings for the gastric or lapband, what about seminars? Good luck! Whatever decision you make will be the best one.
   — jct001

April 22, 2008
SORRY, I meant to say Food Restrictions AREN'T THAT BAD.
   — jct001

April 22, 2008
I never considered the lap band because it seems like people aren't losing enough weight on it. Have you considered VSG? It's supposed to help and/or cure diabetes too. I think that is what I'm going to do but will admit that I haven't ruled the RNY completely out. Good luck! Kim
   — GlitterGal

April 22, 2008
Those are not the only surgical options available to you. They may be the only options that YOUR surgeon performs or that your INSURANCE will PAY for but there are other options. If I were you, I would check out ALL of the options available to me and make my decision THEN. I would not allow INSURANCE be the deciding factor. This is something that you are going to have to live with for the rest of your life. If the surgery that you want is NOT covered by your insurance, you may want to consider paying for it YOURSELF. People think NOTHING of $20,000.00 for a CAR that they will DISPOSE of in 7 to 10 YEARS at the most. THIS is something that will effect your HEALTH for the REST of your LIFE. It is often possible to BORROW the money to get the surgery that you may want done. I have had the Vertical Sleeve Gastrectomy done and this surgery has been shown to have the LEAST rate of complications or side effects to ALL OTHER weight loss surgeries. It is COMPARABLE in effectiveness to the Gastric Bypass at weight loss without the issues of dumping and malabsortion. I went from using 70 to 80 units of 70/30 insulin with an occasional boost from regular insulin and four pills of Glucovance 5/500 a day to using NO diabetes medications in just THREE WEEKS! If you want to get more detail on your options just go to my profile page and check out my blog. Look for my post called Surgical Comparisons. If you don't find it on my profile page when you first check it out look into my archives in the March archives. I have a fairly comprehensive comparison of the main types of surgeries available in the US today. There are also links to videos and other resources that you can use to find more information about the different surgical options available today. Check out my profile here: http://www.obesityhelp.com/member/hubarlow/ . I hope this helps, Hugh
   — hubarlow

April 22, 2008
I chose the DS because I Wanted a surgery that has the least chance of long-term re-gain, is BEST at curing Diabetes (98%+), removes much of the hunger hormone Ghrelin, NO DUMPING, NO MARGINAL ULCERS and NO STOMA / STRICTURES, I chose the Duodenal Switch surgery. Do investigate all the options. I wanted my system to still operate the same which is why I chose to keep my pyloric valve intact with the DS. DuodenalSwitch.com With the DS: there is no stoma, so no stoma strictures; there are no limitations (other than volume) against drinking before, during or after meals; 80% of ingested fat is malabsorbed, allowing liberal use of eggs, butter, mayonaisse, healthy oils, marbled meats, cheese, etc., in the diet; 98.9% of type II diabetics are CURED of this devastating disease, with data showing stable cure over 10 years out; there is the best average weight loss and most durable (average 76% excess weight loss going out 10 years) of all of the bariatric surgeries. That's why I had a DS!
   — SameButDifferent

April 22, 2008
Food restrictions are not that bad with the lap band. The only thing I have really had to stay away from is soda. But don't let this be about the foods. If you are going to decide which surgery to have based on the food you can still eat then you might as wekk quit now. It is those same foods that got you to this point point to begin with. This surgery is about a lifestyle change and even though its scary it is a chance to do-over. Dont let the food ruin that for you. Now before you get upset at me for being harsh you should know I was going through this before my surgery too and someone told me what i just told you. I hope it helps.
   — Rachelena

April 22, 2008
< Yes I've had chocolate, PMS, but just a little sample size> .This is why I did not have the Lap Band. I was a sugar addict. I could NEVER stop at a little sample size. Some people have awesome willpower but I was not one. That sample size would turn into one every half hour for the entire day! LOL! The RNY changes your body chemically, hormonally. I don't have the cravings now. I never eat concentrated sweets. I knew when I made the decision to have surgery what I was giving up. I do not miss it. I have gone through birthdays, Christmas, Halloween, Easter, and yes, PMS, without sugar. Swiss Miss Diet coco is 25 calories, no sugar and plenty chocolaty. Which surg you choose is a personal decision based on what you know YOUR eating habits are. If you are a big sweets eater, in all honesty the Lap band will not have good lasting results. If you just like to eat a lot, then the band will probably work. Just feel good about your decision. Also consider, if your insurance pays for a particular surg and it doesn't work, good luck getting them to pay for another one. Be confident about your decision whichever it is. When you go to the hospital orientation, ask about sugar addiction (if you are one) and the LapBand vs RNY. Ask if the surgeon will do the surgery or will residents be in there. Ask if it is laproscopic. (You should be a very good laproscopic candidate if you have 100 or less pounds to loose.) Ask about the hormones Gherlin and Leptin. Also I would consider "throwing up" or "dumping" or "sliming" part of the learning curve; part of your training; learning what you can eat and what you can't, learning that yes you really do have to chew, some meats are very hard to deal with, and that your tool, whichever it is, really is working! I have "thrown up" maybe 3 times, all on different meats. And throwing up is not like you think of it now, it is a little throw up like a little baby spit up. (I had RNY by the way...almost 1 year out.) :0D Good Luck!!
   — MAG

April 22, 2008
I started off thinking lapband and swithed to RNY. I did not want to fool w/ fills and thought it would be too easy to cheat ...chocolate melts in your mouth! Glad w/ my decision. I do not dump but have lost about 100 lbs in 7 months. If I had diabetes - there would be no question. I thinl the cure rate for type 2 is even higher than quoted...more like 98%.
   — JTR

April 22, 2008
FYI - The lapband is only a tool to help you lose weight. If you don't use it correctly, it will not work.
   — Pam-TX

April 22, 2008
Dumping, sliming and vomiting, etc. are all signs that you're not following directions. It's a life change - you have to eat way slower, avoid things that make you sick (meat still bothers me - I'm 8 weeks out) - avoid sugars, etc. If you follow the doctor's orders and really commit to making a life change, you won't experience any of this. Once I ate too quickly (you forget) and as a result, I vomited. I learned my lesson quickly. I have had no problems since. I think RNY is like hitting a home run. It's all about the commitment. I'm two months out and never want to look back. Also, 60 minutes had a special this past Sunday about RNY and the effects on Type 2 Diabetes and it was such a positive reinforcement for me to see this. See link to the show, attached. Good luck with whatever you decide and make sure to follow doctor's orders! http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/17/60minutes/main4023451.shtml
   — Donna_in_PA

April 22, 2008
Congratulations on your decision on improving your health! My mother and I are both post-op RNY. When we first went to our doctor's seminar, we were both going to do lap-band. After hearing the information, we both changed our minds about which procedure to have. One of the statistics that our doctor gave was that with lap-band, you can expect to loose 50-60% of your excess weight, with RNY, you can expect to loose 70-80%! Also, my mother is Type 2 and the idea of leaving the hospital totally off her diabectic meds and insulin was enough in itself to help her decide. I agree with the previous posters that it is a life change. I am 2 months post op and have no complaints. You learn to listen to your body, (and if you don't, it tells you about it!). I haven't had sugar in 2 1/2 months and I can honestly say that I don't crave it. Good luck with your upcoming surgery and hope this helps.
   — pkwhite64

April 22, 2008
Hi. I had RNY last May and also work in a WLS clinic. Here are my thoughts. RNY is the definite choice for someone who doesn't have much self control, who can't choose the right kinds of food, who wants a "built-in" mechanism to keep them from eating fatty foods or sweets. Lap Band is the choice for someone who can choose the right foods, who can be happy with a taste or couple bites of bad foods, but has a problem controlling their portions. I am 33 and weighed 353 one month before surgery. I lost about 10 lbs when I was put on the prep diet before sugery. I was on 3 rx's for diabetes, 2 for hypertension, and 1 for depression. I left the hospital after surgery with only my anti-depressant, which my surgeon suggests we stay on for at least 6 mos post op because of all the changes our bodies go thru, both physically & mentally. I didn't have any problem knowing what the right choices were when I ate, I just couldn't choose those types of foods. I constantly ate sweets, fast food, pasta, etc, all of which I knew were not good for me, especially for my diabetes but I just couldn't stop. Now if I eat any of these types of things, I get dumping, which the best I can describe that is "I want to die!" Henceforth - I DO NO EAT THOSE FOODS ANYMORE! HAHA. To date, I have lost 128 lbs and I know I made the right choice for me. I am enjoying life, enjoying my daughter, I even enjoy PUSH-MOWING my yard, and I have a big yard! Only you should make the choice and decide which surgery you can live with! Good luck on your journey and I wish you all the best of luck!!
   — pam2007

April 23, 2008
I would highly suggest you keep researching, attend support groups that have all kinds of WLS patients and ask them about their experiences. Keep going to seminars and gather as much information as you can to help you make the best decision. Surgeons seem to be committed to either Bypass or LapBand and when you listen to them, each is convincing that his/hers is the best. No matter which one you decide on, the biggest thing I can stress to you is that you can cheat your tool with any WLS. If you do not make a life long committment to change, you will not be successfull. I am a LapBand patient and I get a little frustrated when I hear people can't lose or end up losing very little and blame their bands. I have lost 135# quickly because I am dealing with the emotional issues with obesity, make my appointments and am diligent with my fills/unfills to get good restriction and exercise. That being said, I could put a Big Mac in a blender and still get it down so..... Good luck to you, Dawn Vickers, RN, BLC, CLC
   — DawnVic

April 23, 2008
Everyone needs to make their own decision but my experience is that I was on four metformin (500mg)=total of 2000 a day and my next step was insulin. Four days after my RNY I had normal blood sugars and 6 weeks later my blood sugars are in the 85-90 range! I was told by my surgeon that RNY was the most effective procedure for those with diabetes.
   — JMEwing47

April 23, 2008
Please see the post from Bethany Berka, she asked the same type of question and there are a ton of responses, mostly for the RNY, but check it out and see, good luck to you.
   — noboat4u

April 23, 2008
It is a difficult decision to make. I too vasilated between RNY and Lap, but have chosen RNY. If you do further research on the bypass procedure and its effects on Diabetes you may have a clearer idea. If I were you and had Diabetes I would choose the RNY due to the fact that it actually cures it. I am not aware that is the case with Lap Band, although it doesn't carry the risks of RNY. Hopefully this has helped. Sue
   — yankeefan75

April 23, 2008
The less dramatic lapband is no guarantee of a smooth/easier recovery. A lapband woman in my support group required lapband replacement surgery within 9 mos and now! needs to go back in for RNY. An endoscopy (because of constant pain) revealed serious stomach acid-related problems. Other lapbanders in my group complain about the fills, etc. I am 55, was diabetic and am ecstatic that I chose RNY Oct. '07. I stopped all diabetic meds before surgery and have never needed them since. My A1C is 5.5 (had been 7.8 before surgery). Have lost 90 lbs with 10 more to go. The most critical decisions are choosing the best doctor (with good support services) and getting comprehensive screenings of all vital functions. Even though this is dramatic surgery, it is no "get out of jail free" card. The first couple of months, the weight fell off. But since, I've had to make sure I'm eating correctly (cheating still shows up in lbs) + work my butt off exercising (6 hrs/wk intense cardio + weight lifting 3 x's/week). After this many years, I KNOW I have an eating problem. So choosing a lapband because it might be reversible doesn't make sense. Good luck!
   — Cathy 1.

April 23, 2008
I had the LapBand 3 wks ago and am happy with it so far. You mentioned that you have diabetes. I saw a segment on 60 minutes Sunday night about Gastric Bypass. They had 8 people on that all were diabetic before surgery and 4 days post-op they were off all meds and their diabetis was gone. They explained that the bypass surgery bypasses the duodenal area of the stomach and stops the diabetis. I also read an article i found here on the boards about a wk ago explaining this. You might discuss this with your Dr. Also, i'm sure you could see that segment from 60 Minutes on line. Good luck and God bless you
   — Kristi H.

April 23, 2008
WOW, this questin keeps coming up. I just answered someone else about this same subject. I had Bypass surgery 0n 09/24/07, I've lost 115 to date, after starting out at 350 lb. My suggest is to buy a book called "WEIGHT LOSS FOR DUMMIES". If it doesn't have the answer, it may trige some questions to ask your surgery team. Good luck.........this will change your life, at least it did mine.
   — CMFitzpatrick

April 23, 2008
Have you considered the DS? Come visit us on our forums!
   — M. !!!

April 23, 2008
Like the previous responder said it is your decision to make. However, I can share with you what I learned about the procedures in the beginning. I am almost 3 months out of having the RNY. And I love it. I have 57 pounds and can eat anything. I do not eat any sugar and I choose very few carbs like I am supposed to. I also have never thrown up. I did coime close a few times but that was because I knew when I was eating that i was eating too fast. Other than that i have had one complication and it wasn't a big deal at all. I had a stricture where your esophagus begins to close on itself. I had it easily repaired and am fine since (this can happen with any of the procedures). In the beginning I wanted the band. My surgeon informed me that there could be several things that may happen. The port where they fill it could become infected and painful. The tube connected to the port and the band can corrode and need to be surgically replaced. The stomach can also flip on itself and need to be sugically fixed of not having the band completly removed. Therefore, leading to weight gain and probably needing the Gastric bypass anyway. She also told me that they take out more bands than they put in. That is why i decided on the RNY. I figured I would skip the middle man and go for the RNY. I love it!! It was 10 times easier for me than my c-section. There are complications from the RNY also. Evrryone is different. I also made a decision based on what i learned from reading other OH members profiles and responses. That was probably the biggest help for me. I have also heard from other people that have the band and it has worked great for them. It's up to you. I just wanted to share with you what i had learned.
   — Sillyguts

April 23, 2008
my opinion is to have the bypass. I would rather have the restrictions. If you are looking for less restrictions you are not serious enough to lose the weight.
   — nascar_angel_3_2003

April 23, 2008
It should really be a combination your decision and your doctor/surgeon's recommendation. Mine made me really analyze my eating habits (my problem was more portion control than sweets and grazing), so that a stomach reduction was my best option--but it isn't for everyone. You have to stop thinking about what's easyist because that basically means you're already looking for ways to defeat it. You really have to commit to changing, period--the surgery is a tool, but it isn't the solution. You still have to give up your habits and start over. Best of luck.
   — suezahn4me

April 23, 2008
I chose lap band. I was/am a bulk eater, not a sweet eater. Did not need dumping. I had surgery 1 yr ago, I have only "Slimed"/PBed once. small bites, chew well, not eating a more solid form of food than you can tolerate all help. I have lost 75# in the first year. Not as fast as bypass. I will continue to lose for up to another 2-5 years if need be. The band will be there forever if I need it. For me it was the right choice.
   — Donna O.

April 24, 2008
Short and sweet! The DUMPING SYNDROME is associated with RNY. There is no DUMPING SYNDROME associated with banding (I am told). The DUMPING SYNDROME, or rather the avoidance of it, is what has kept me on track with weight loss and continues to help me maintain my weight after successful weight loss. Also RNY requires no post-surgery maintenance fills, as does banding. I highly recommend RNY.
   — [Deactivated Member]

April 25, 2008
I chose the VSG as a 'happy medium' to the lapband and rny. It is only restrictive (like the lapband) so you avoid the problems of malabsorption and such...but it doesn't leave a foreign body inside you that requires frequent maintenance (e.g., fills and adjustments). It can't slip, and you don't have to worry about dumping or sliming or stritures in the stoma because your own pyloric valve remains intact. The 5 year weight loss for the VSG is just below the RNY, but above the lapband. My doctor's office has been doing the VSG for about a year now, and they say the 6 month results are running at about 60% of excess weight lost at 6 months. That is as fast as the RNY. Also, since I am self-pay...the cost of the VSG is just a little higher than the lapband. My doctor (Dr. Trace Curry...www.thebanddoctor.com) charges $14,700 for the VSG, including the pre-op medifast diet and 2 years of follow ups. Good luck finding the surgery that will be right for you! April
   — abeeba




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