Question:
I just ordered this protein power because they say its especially for wls
post=ops well I was wondering if theres anything else out there that I could probally take thats cheaper? this protien doesn't have any sugar at all. have any of you bought it and found it to be a really good product? or can i just drink carnation instant breakfast? I haven't even tried It yet so i don't know if i can even tolorate it post-op. My surgery is this Fri the 20th so I want to know guys what you did for protein as far as getting enough in. what did you do? because eating jello for a month doent sound nutrious to me. email me at [email protected] — jennifer O. (posted on September 17, 2002)
September 16, 2002
What kind of protein powder did you buy? CIB is not a protein powder, it's
a calorie adder is all. So, perhaps I've heard of the powder you bought
and I can help?
— vitalady
September 16, 2002
I have stood silent on this for awhile, but, now I want to speak up. There
is NOTHING wrong with taking CIB (SF Carnation Instant Breakfast) in the
first 4-6 weeks. It is no more a calorie adder than any other protein.
The first 4-6 weeks are more about adjusting and CIB is sooooo soft on the
tummy and non irritating like most other protein shakes. If you wanna take
it, please do do....ONE CUP OF CIB is 12g of protein when milk is added,
this is fine in the beginning. You are not expected to get all your
protien (50-55g) in the first month of so. When you reach that stage
(1mo), it is FAR MORE BETTER to eat actual protein than this powder
protein. And, at a month, you can EAT your protein rather than DRINK your
protein. CIB is tasty, easy to stomach and doesn't deserve all the
negativity this site gives it. I AM SORRY FOR VENTING, but, I just wanted
to make a point.
— heathercross
September 16, 2002
i could not agree with you more heather!!!!!
— bekka K.
September 17, 2002
Susan, I am curious where you got that satistic, 95% become lactose
intolerant, I think that is WRONG! I do however, believe, that maybe true
if you have had your gallbalder removed...but, I do not know one WLS
patient that is lactose intolerant other than 1 who had here gallblader
removed. Please do not quote statistice like "95% become lactose
intolerant" , incorrect statistics SCARE people.
— heathercross
September 17, 2002
Heather, she states in the first sentence that she got that statistic from
her surgeon's dietician. And yes, I know just because the pro's say
something doesn't mean it's true. But it's not like she was making it up
out of thin air.
<p>
On the subject of CIB v. protein supplements: our new stomach's no longer
have the capability to break down food protein into the various amino
acids. Our pouches do not produce the amounts of HCl and pepsin needed to
degrade the protein molecules found in food. The best way to assure that
you do not become deficient is to supplement with pre-digested whey
protein. Since it is already degraded all we have to do is absorb it.
— Ali M
September 17, 2002
I qiuestin that post ops cant use undigested protein. I ONLY tried one
protein drink ONCE and my labs are fine. I get ALL my protein from
food!<P>
95% lactose intolearant? Maybe during the first week after surgery, but
over time most drink milk or can. I limit milk because I was choclolate
milk fanatic and dont want to go there again...
— bob-haller
September 17, 2002
Heah guys maybe I didn't mention the product. it's that bari-tec protein
powder they mention on this site. I was wondering if anyone has ordered
this product. because the only reason i ordered it is that they say its
specially for gastic bypass indivuals. I was then wondering if CIB was ok
because this protein power cost me $75.00.
— jennifer O.
September 17, 2002
Hi Jennifer: Wow, that seems costly for protein powder. I don't know a
thing about that one, but I do know your choices aren't limited to just CIB
or that particular powder. I recommend that you check out the vitalady.com
website, where they sell individual-sized protein powder samples in
different brands and flavors. That way you can experiment til you find
something you like and can buy it in a bigger size (and you don't drop big
bucks on something you don't like or want).<P>I found one there
(Proscore 100 Chocolate) that gave me 30 grams of protein per serving
(mixed with 4-6 ounces of water). Even as a relatively new post-op, I
didn't have to settle for protein deficiency because I had that little
life-raft of protein available to me. :) <P>BTW, I don't think it's
generating "negativity" to advise people there are better (or
worse) options than CIB out there. I think the reason people pick on CIB
in particular is that it's on so many docs' post-op diet plans. I have no
idea why, unless it's simply because the docs figure we can at least find
CIB at the grocery store, and therefore it's convenient. It just isn't the
best option out there.
— Suzy C.
September 17, 2002
I have ordered some of the Procel from Vitalady.com. I wanted them because
they are supposed to have no taste to them. We will see, I guess. I ordered
6 of the sample packets and I am going to try them. The containers are 2
containers for $26 including shipping. I also, in calling around, found out
that GNC has a money back gurantee. If you buy comething there, try it and
don't like it, you can return the unused portion and get your money back.
— sammygirlwpc
September 17, 2002
— Ali M
September 17, 2002
Last comment on this by me, CIB is 4g of protein, add skim or 1% milke (8g)
and you get 12g of protein. Also, I disagree with the shakes and
non-digestable protein. Protein shakes for life, never. Every dtr I have
seen, heard or met, including dieticians state that food protein is better
than drinkable protein. Thats all I have to say on this issue but I
appreciate everyones answers and the anatomy lesson.
— heathercross
September 17, 2002
I lies...one more post, if everyone in that practice seems to become
"lactose intolerant" I would find a new dtr. It seems to me,
he/she is doing something wrong!
— heathercross
September 17, 2002
Allison. Since the gastric juices are still excreted by the old stomach,
digestion of B 12 can still occur below the Y connection. I take 2 B 12 by
mouth pills a day. I am over a year out and my labs are fine. So obviously
B 12 is absorbed, although perhaps not as well as before surgery. This
thread sure raised lots of interesting ideas and some miss conceptions. Not
all of us are the same, and that explains some of the differences of
opinions.
— bob-haller
September 17, 2002
What's 12 grams of protein when you can have 30? Have you looked on the
label of the CIB drinks? I have and the one I looked at had 26 grams of
sugar in it!! How can that much sugar in ONE SERVING be good for you? At
that rate you're getting more sugar content than you are protein.
It matters not who agrees and who doesn't about the protein shake issue.
All one needs to do is look in any physicians desk referrence on the
digestive system and you have all you need to know.
As for me, I'm still pre-op, but you can bet that after I have surgery,
I'll be taking charge of my OWN health and following in the footsteps of
those who are 8, 10, 15, and 20 years post op. All the ones that far out
that are SUCCESSFUL, (key word here) are drinking shakes and not depending
on food for their sole source of nutrition. Just my .02.
— Jeralyn Merideth
September 17, 2002
I just wanted to make one point. I don't think anyone here is talking
about regular CIB. Generally speaking, when someone recommends CIB as a
protein shake for wls, they are ONLY referring to CIB <b>no sugar
added</b>. On the label of CIB <b>no sugar added</b> it
states there is 7g (chocolate) or 8g (vanilla) of sugar and the label also
shows the sugar in the <b>no sugar added</b> drinks is only
from lactose in the milk. Take care.
— thumpiez
September 17, 2002
Can I add my two-cents? First I want to show I am not biased by saying
that neither my nutritionist or surgeon recommended CIB and I rarely drink
it myself. I used to just add it to vanilla Designer Protein on days I had
a taste for chocolate. That said, I do think CIB gets a bum rap. I
understand the logic of drinking it. When combined with milk you not only
get a fair amount of protein, but also get quite a bit of your bodies other
daily nutrients. I think a lot of nutritionists look at it from the
standpoint that is has other benefits other than just protein. If
someone's doctor recommended it and they can tolerate it, then I don't see
the problem. Also, if someone cannot stand any other protein drink then
CIB is a life-saver. And if they add additional protein powder to increase
the protein they'll get added benefits.
About milk:
I know there is a big milk controversy here which really does not affect
me, because I don't particularly care for the taste of milk. The last milk
I had was five months ago, when I learned I could just make my protein
shakes out of water instead of with milk as the nutritionist suggested.
I've never been a milk drinker even as a child and I still got to be over
300 pounds, so I don't fear that milk will make me regain weight.
— Lisa N M.
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