Question:
WHY AM I LIKE A BOTTOMLESS PIT???
HELLO AMOS FAM, WELL HERE I AM 16 MONTHS POST OP BEEN AT THE SAME WEIGHT SINCE THE SUMMER, I CAN EAT WAY MORE THAN I SHOULD I FEEL LIKE I AM EATING ALOT.....PLEASE DON`T BASH ME I AM FEELING REALLY DISCOURAGED AND JUST WANT SOME EMCOURAGEMENT, I POSTED A FEW DAYS AGO ABOUT A NEW PRODUCT I HEARD OF CALLED ULTRA 90 AND WAS ACCUSED OF BEING AN ADVERTISER WHICH I AM NOT I JUST NEED SOMETHING,I HAVE 30 LBS TO LOSE STILL TO GET TO IDEAL WEIGHT FOR MY HEIGHT,I JUST NEED SOME ENCOURAGEMENT, YESTERDAY I ATE A FROXEN MEAL AND A FOOT LONG SUBWAY HAM AND CHEESE THE SUB TOOK ME FROM 4 PM TO 10 PM TO EAT IT , BUT I WAS STILL ABLE TO EAT THE WHOLE THING...ANY HELP ADVICE WOULD BE APPRECIATED THANKS, OPEN RNY PROX 8/14/02 262/156/126 — nice n sweet B. (posted on December 11, 2003)
December 11, 2003
Don't mean to bash here..........I'm only three months post-op and
definitely not an expert but taking 6 hours to eat a meal sounds like
grazing to me. I think, even at this stage that if I spread it out over
that length of time, I could eat a whole sub too. It would have to be in 3
oz portions but bet I could do it. You've done so well and you can
definitely get where you need to be. I'd encourage you to read and follow
the rules of the pouch and from everything I've read on this web site, you
still have a very powerful tool to help you get where you need to go. If
you're dealing with "head hunger" maybe you could check out
seeing a counselor or joining OA or some other support group. YOU CAN DO
IT..........Good luck to you and I do hope you find the answer for you.
— SCbabe B.
December 11, 2003
Is your goal of 126 reasonable? I tried to find your height from your
profile but did not see it. I know you said it was ideal, but trust me,
those tables are way off base. You've already lost over 100 pounds and
perhaps your body is comfortable where it is at. Keep in mind that you can
get down to whatever weight you want to (no magic here, just eat less and
move more) however, once you get there, is this something you can MAINTAIN
for life?? You have to take in alot less calories to maintain a weight in
the 120's than the 150's!! I love to eat too, and consciously decided to
stop in the 140's and a size 10. The "ideal" weight for me was a
good 15 pounds less. Yeah, an 8 or a 6 sounded tantalizing, but I knew i
could not maintain without depriving myself of calories and my beloved
snacks. With that said, if you want to lose more, its no secret. You need
to eat several SMALL meals a day (every few hours) and try to make them
protein based - the frozen meal without the carb part, the deli meats from
the sub over a salad. A protein shake or two... How is your exercise?
Heart pumping cardio will held get rid of calories, other types of exercise
won't. And tons of water.
— Cindy R.
December 11, 2003
Hey ladies thanks so much for repsonding, first i think you are right maybe
i was grazing on the sandwich i would eat until full,then when i got hungry
again i would eat some more, stop... eat more... when my tummy started to
growl.
i don`t think it was head hunger i was getting stomach growling
too....lol
cindy i am 5'2.5" tall and the weight planner says i should weigh 126
maybe this is not a maintainable goal i never really thought about it, just
figured that is where i should be, my doc says my bone structure is
med/small....even at my highest weight i was very small in fingers and
wrist size, but he also told me not to get obsessed and that i was very
healthy from my blood work and look great.i am currently in a size 12 but
would like to atleast hit the single digits....lol oh i must admit aside
from walking the malls and taking the kids out and about through my day.
i haven`t exercised since my hernia surgery in sept. but i did buy a walk
away the pounds tape last night to start when i get back from vacation i
hear it is a great work out i got the 2 mile high calorie burn tape....
again thanks for your input....open rny prox/w gallbladder removal 8/14/02
start weight 261.5/current 156 /goal 126?
— nice n sweet B.
December 11, 2003
Hi Nice, You must feel SO much better now- Congrats on the Weight loss. I
am now going on 13 months post op- and its really hit me HARD- that from
here on out- Its all up to ME-The honeymoon is over- and I am going ot have
to live by diet/exercise/moderation (ugh) I too can eat ALOT- I can just
sit and pick ALL DAY LONG If I want (this scares me to death) You will hear
alot of different opinions about eatting "goodies" (subway
sandwiches, etc) My opinion is GO FOR IT- don't deprive yourself. But
practice moderation- I'm not going to sit and drool over someones french
fries- darn it I'm going to have a few- :) ...When anyone in my house
fixes themselves a bowl of ice cream, they know to come to me first for the
first bite- Try to focus on where you were (look at pre op pictures of
yourself) Stick one on your fridge- stick to the protein first- and don't
knock yourself..Tomorrow is a new day :)
— WABBIT F.
December 11, 2003
Hi, First of all you are not alone. This is the time when you have to
learn what "using the tool" really means. I am 2 yrs post op and
have started losing again. How? After being stuck for 8 mos I realized
that this tool is usable and works BUT we have to learn how to use it. I
started out by eating only protein for a few days. Now, it is just like it
was in the beginning. Small portions fill me so quickly and dumping is a
fact of life again. I think using the tool means "when you are not
hungry.....don't eat!" Just use protein supplements and protein
meals. Drinking water has always been hard for me so I do my best at that
but NEVER get in 64 oz. Our pouches seem to react by what we feed it.
Eating a lot is possible after a continuous amount of grazing and pushing
the limit. BUT we can retrain the pouch. It is totally up to you and how
you use the tool. Don't beat yourself up. Just start today choosing the
good nutrition that your body craves. The tool is there, just use it
properly. Hunger? After a few days of protein, it truly goes away. I am
so busy at work that I forget to eat but force myself to drink a couple of
Atkins shakes. They have improved them and they are now "spoon
stirrable". The only difference on the container is the words
"spoon stirrable". I mix them with water now and it is really
tolerable. I also make a pudding with the shake mix and a little water.
It is really filling. Good luck and remember, this is still a learning
process and I guess it will be forever. No one is perfect but it is
possible to lose again after even a year of not losing. Good luck!
— Mylou52
December 11, 2003
Hey, sorry but there is no magic pill here. Calorie wise, that's probably
only a 1200 or 1400 calorie day. You should track on fitday.com. You need
to take time and plan your meals. If you do't eat convenience foods you'll
have an easier time losing the rest of the weight.
— mrsmyranow
December 11, 2003
You should start eating solid forms of protein... and stop with the high
carb foods like Subway subs. You had part of your intestines surgically
bypassed, and had part of your stomach cut away... you have NO business
walking into a Subway store. Sorry, but you have to be serious about this
surgery and eating properly is a major commitment. If you ate foods like
roasted chicken, tuna salad, deli turkey or ham, cheese, fish, shrimp,
sliced steak, omelets, roasted turkey... you wouldnt be able to eat as
much, you would stay full much longer, you wouldnt crave more food, you
would be satisfied, and you would lose weight again, as your body would
revert back to a carb burning machine with its new protein fuel.
By grazing until you eat an entire sub... your body isnt burning its stored
fat, it is burning the carbs you are eating.
De-carb your kitchen... start over... eat SOLID protein and regain control
of your body and eating habits. Use protein shakes to boost your protein
intake... protein consumption burns fat.
Dont worry about people saying you are advertising... we all are excited to
share new products with each other... and it is the only way we can find
out about what tastes good and what doesnt. I am 29 months post op and have
been posting on this forum and message board for almost three years and
cannot tell you the number of great products that I have discovered and
shared with others and the products that I am happy that people took to the
time to share with me.
ciao
susan maria
www.bariatriceating.com
— SusanMaria
December 11, 2003
Grazing is painless pouch stretching. If you limit your meal timem to
about 15 minutes and dispose of the food, you'll find yourself eating a
reasonable volume again, unless there is a mechanical flaw. That means no
solid food for at least 2 hrs. I suspect that once you move the food and
stick to the timing that you will actually feel MORE satisfied on less
food. And not trigger the whole food=guilt cycle thing.
— vitalady
December 11, 2003
Thank you all! I have been experiencing the same thing as Nice here. It is
great to know I am not alone with this, and that I have not blown my whole
opportunity. I am back on track. Thanks, folks.
— sgaiwalker
December 11, 2003
I agree with Michelle and Susan Maria - mostly. I agree you are taking
waaaay too long to eat, hence eating too much. And most likely way too
many carbs. However, I don't agree that you have to give up subway. As
fast food goes (and many of us still do fast food occasionally), it's one
of the lesser evils. I have been known every couple of months to order a 6
inch sub but I toss the most all of the bread. Sure I eat a smidge of it,
but severly limit it to ONE BITE with bread and then away goes the bread.
The guts of a subway are wonderful and high protein. Sure there are better
options in the world, but I'm human (that's how I got to over 400 pounds to
begin with) and I enjoy lunchmeat with lettuce and tomato. Oh you can
order it as a salad in a container, but I find they give me way too much
lettuce and not enough meat that way :>)
— [Deactivated Member]
December 11, 2003
*original poster*
Just wanted to say thanks for the advice and the brutal honesty.....lol i
do not agree i should never step foot in a subway though, my doc told me i
shouldn`t deprive myself of anything not even burgers and subways, i don`t
eat like this everyday,but i do eat alot of carbs....i am a carb addict
always have been and gain very quickly on carbs,i did think there was
something wrong with my pouch when i stopped losing but found out
everything is still good in there,i know i rearranged my insides i don`t
need that told to me, but like a previous poster said i am human and have
the same issues i had before surgery,i am trying to get on track and all
this positive feedback can only help me on my way to goal,judging someone
on the basis of one post about a subway sandwich is unfair though, i do not
eat subway everyday not even once a week, in all honesty this was my first
sub in 3 months....lol i will get back on track and thanks for the insight
and the info to find my way back to the rules of living with bypass
surgery,most times i forget i had it, until times like now when i want to
lose and can`t and it is bc of my own lack of control where carbs are
concerned, i think you are all great and i really appreciate the love and
encouragement it is after midnight i am tired so off to bed i go....open
rny 261.5/156/126 8/14/02
— nice n sweet B.
December 11, 2003
Never walk in another Subway again? NO WAY MAN! lol
Granted I don't go often, however when I'm extremely hungery and along way
from home I'll get a Deli Roast Beef sandwhich. I have it loaded with
lettice, onions, TOMATOES (my favorite), black olives, sweet peppers (these
are cooked not raw) and pickles. Oh with lots of Sweet Onion Sauce and YES
EVEN OIL! I'm to much of a cheap skate to do this often, yet it is divine
once in awhile. My goal was 123 (as I'm very short) but my body seems to
like 157. So the "occasional" subway splurg has'nt hurt me. Don't
get me wrong, I would'nt want to eat that much bread often, but it is
loaded with veggies and I don't buy fresh veggies for home as I can't eat
them all and they just go to waste. So Subway's deli subs are a smorgasborg
of veggies! Yum! :)
— Danmark
December 11, 2003
We all fall off the wagon (most of us). Get right back on and watch the
carbs. Best of luck to you, you are only human and we are not perfect.
— Kriola
December 12, 2003
I think I can speak for some of the others on here when I say that avoiding
Subway all together is probably a good idea for your situation. If you are
addicted to carbs you should avoid putting yourself in a situation where
they may be available. Try to remember if you want a sub, go with the 6
inch rather than 12 that way the food is not there for you to continue to
eat. Remember protein is our friend and watch those carbs. Good luck!
— Jim S.
December 12, 2003
Nice, I am only 1/2 an inch taller than you, and also medium boned. My
ideal was 130, which would have put me at a 6-8. My personal goal was 145,
and I stopped between 147-149 and a size 10. Good enough for me. So, like
I said, if you want to get to 126, with hard work you can, but think about
it. Can you maintain 126?? I know I couldn't without eliminating my
treats while still getting lots of compliments for the size I am at! As
for Subway, truthfully, if we have to avoid all the Subways and fast foods
and treats in the world, come on...Nothing wrong with Subway or a fast food
place, or french fries or whatever. Moderation is the key. I know some
avoid like the plague and if thats what they need to do, OKay but for the
rest of us, learning moderation is a wonderful thing...
— Cindy R.
December 12, 2003
Hey cindy,
in my opinion avoiding fast food forever is unrealistic for me...but i will
cut out alot of my carb intake first of the year i don`t know if i can
maintain at 126 but i will have to see when i get there...lol if not i
won`t be disappointed as even at my weight now i feel and look good so no
biggie...but i have to try i won`t know i can until i give it a
shot.....boy i didn`t know a subway sandwhich would become such a hot
topic...lol i won`t be doing that again though now that i know i was
grazing i thought grazing was like snacks and stuff, not meals i guess i
was wrong, hey you live and learn...thanks for everyone`s advice and
support it is greatly appreciated...wish me luck on vacation leaving
soon....love and blessing
open rny 8/14/02 261.5/156/126 16 months postop on the 14th
— nice n sweet B.
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