Question:
I Just Recently Found Out That The Doctor I'm Seeing For WLS Has Performed About 250
Surgeries. Out Of That Number He Has Had Three Deaths. Is That The Norm? Or On The High Side? I Thought The Death Rate Was More Like 1 In 1000. I'm Already Real Nervous About Having Surgery, But This Had Made Me Even More Nervous! — Jennifer D. (posted on May 20, 2002)
May 20, 2002
Yikes~ with those odds I would look for another surgeon. But that is my own
personal opinion.
— Sarah A.
May 20, 2002
Change surgeons. Mine has done about 300 and never lost a patient. Those
aren't good odds.
— Cheri M.
May 20, 2002
I would not like those odds at all. I agree with the other posters, find
another Doctor!!!!!!!!!
— Jeri P.
May 20, 2002
My surgeon had done under 100 and I found out he had one death. so I ask
him about it and the hospital staff about it. They both told me the same
thing. Which it was the patients health was terrible and 2 surgeons had
turned her down but her and the family begged him to do so he agreed and
she didn't make it. She knew this going in and thought if she could try to
make a better life she would.
I suggest you asking your surgeon what happened etc. I feel that the
younger they are they have the knowledge fresh in there minds. I had this
surgery 6 weeks ago and within 2 weeks I was back to work and I feel great.
Good luck in whatever your decision. But you can't just assume he is bad
because sometimes situations are out of the surgeons hands. rk laprny
4-9-02 35lbs
— Robin B.
May 20, 2002
I think you need to look at why the 3 people passed on. If it was a
complication like a blood clot, the surgeon can't help that (that is a
complication for anytime you have surgery and not a result of something
that the surgeon did), but if it was surgeon error I'd definately find
another doctor.
— Cinna G.
May 20, 2002
My doc had done nearly 1,000 surgeries and lost 1 patient. I think your
doctor's death rate is a little on the high side, unless he has taken on
high-risk patients that no one else would operate on.
— Terissa R.
May 20, 2002
Jennifer, this is one of those statistics that is absolutely meaningless
by itself. It's like me saying that I win a higher percentage of tennis
matches than does Pete Sampras - I must be a better tennis player. Of
course, I neglected to tell you I only play against pre-schoolers. Look,
not all patients that go into WLS surgery are at the same level of health.
Some may be 400 lbs overweight and/or have numerous life-threatening
co-morbs. Some may be literally months away from death. A patient such as
this will have a much poorer chance of survival rather than this 99% norm.
Are you aware that many surgeons "pass" on these patients that
they consider "higher risk"? It's possible that your surgeon
routinely takes patients that other surgeons refuse. If I were you, I
would be concerned about this surgeon's ratio, to the point to where I
would research these cases and their specifics. I'm sure with additional
knowledge, you will be able to make the decision you feel comfortable with.
Good luck to you... Kevin
— meilankev
May 20, 2002
I agree with Kevin Holt. I worry that all of us will get so hung up on
statistics, that the most needy will not be able to get surgery. There was
a surgeon in Calif. who took on the worst cases, and was stopped by his
hospital from doing by pass surgery. He was kind and caring, but was
punished by "statistics."
— faybay
May 20, 2002
According to Dr. Fobi and local dr's I've spoken with the death rate is
about 1-2% which is 1 or 2 in 100 so he's probably averaging about right.
We have a local surgion who has done several thousand and has never lost
one. It varies so much. But they say that average is typical of any major
surgery. That 1 or 2 % is very small, unless of course, you happen to be
in that 1 or 2 percent. That's why they always say it's a serious surgery
that you need to be aware of the complications that COULD happen, even
though most turn out just fine. I agree with the other posters to have a
heart to heart with the doctor about the other patients who did not make
it. Your life is in his hands, it's certainly understandable you'd have
concerns and would want to ask him about it. They won't be offended. Good
Luck!!!!
— Laurie Z.
May 20, 2002
jen, at the last support group somebody asked around the room how many
people had "bad" experiences. There were a few, but each one said
they would do it again. I know your nervous about this, and it is a
personal decision only you can make. you have the love and support of your
family which will help you through this.
— candymom64
May 20, 2002
Hmmm..My surgeon has done over a thousand and has yet to lose a patient due
to the surgery. I agree with most here- find another surgeon. I look at it
like this, those who have died in his care may have been cases that could
not have been helped for whatever reason, but I don't think I could go
through this surgery with that nagging fear. Don't get me wrong. I am
worried about the outcome of my own surgery, but I have the uptmost
confidence in my surgeon. I KNOW he has the skills and experience so I am
putting my life in his capable hands. Just make sure you feel completely
secure in your decision. Obviously you don't with this particular surgeon.
GOOD LUCK!!!
— karmiausnic
May 20, 2002
Jen, I have the same doctor as you and I am three weeks post-op with no
complications. Dr. Caraunas "deaths" were all women who were
over 500 pounds and had several pre-existing conditions that all took a
role in their death. They new going in to the surgery it was a major risk.
I think Dr. Caruana and Marc are phenomenal and I haven't questioned my
choice yet. Every doctor at some time in their career has to have their
first patient, 100th patient, etc. They just began this process two and a
half years ago - that doesn't mean you should run for the high hills. In
fact, I've heard horrible things about the doctor in Rochester and he's
done a lot of these. Sorry, I just don't agree with the posters who said
find a new doctor because I have yours and he's great! Email me if you
have any questions! Good luck!
— stacey L.
May 20, 2002
Hi -- I had RNY on 1/9 with Dr. Caruana and have had absolutely no problems
at all. I've lost about 48 pounds so far, so I'm almost halfway to my
goal. I am thrilled with Dr. C., Mark, and the office staff. My friend
had surgery with them on 5/6 and is doing great, also. I had been a little
apprehensive when I heard about the 3 deaths also, but I understand they
had very serious illnesses going in and were super morbidly obese. I feel
terrible about those who didn't make it, but it didn't affect my confidence
in Dr. Caruana. My PCP highly recommended Dr. C. and said he's the best.
— Linda W.
May 20, 2002
Thanks So Much To Everyone That Has Taken The Time To Answer My Question. I
Appreciate All Your Input. I Went To A Group Meeting With Dr. Caruana Last
Night. He Seems To Be A Really Great Guy. He Went Over The Surgery, And
Answered Questions. He Was Very Honest In All His Answers And I Really
Appreciated That. He Talked About The Drastic Lifestyle Change That Will
Happen After Surgery And Stressed Aftercare & Exercise. He Also
Discussed The Three Deaths Of Patients He Has Had. He Explained That All
Three Of Them Had Leaks That Caused Their Deaths. He Also Said That He Has
Learned To Tell The Signs Of A Leak Better Now And That He Has Not Had A
Death In His Last 100 Patients And Hopes To Never Have One Again. I Was
Very Nervous About This Death Rate, But After Listening To Him Last Night,
I Really Do Feel Much More Confident In His Abilities As A Surgeon. I Have
My Referral In Place And I Will Be Going For A Consult With Him On June
14th And I Am Looking Forward To It!
— Jennifer D.
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