Counting with DS and Sleeves

Well went to my two week follow up on Wed and they got me started on soft foods such as cottage cheese, yogurts, cream soups even soft cereals and pretzels, chips etc if they are both from their store since they are not Lays, Ruffles ect but protein chips.

So since their was some others there who had Ds and I was the only one with a sleeve,  I was told that I have to count protein and Calories 900 calories to be specific and low to no fat foods and the DS has to count protein and carbs.

So I know I don't have the malabsorbtion that a DS person has but it seems like I would need to keep track of carbs, sugars etc too,  But they said if you follow the above the rest just falls into place?

So I been eating every two hours from 8am to 9pm, Some 1 or two protein drinks daily along with the other stuff mentioned and using fitday to keep track of eveything im in the 800-900 calories, carbs are up as high as 110 and fats are low

So for DS people it seems like you have a more extreme diet to follow so I guess im trying to figure out why?

I wonder why they said not to count carbs?  I think that will affect your weight loss a lot.. but, at this point of the game, you need to concentrate on getting food in... period.  Maybe that's why they said that?  I don't know - just guessing...

Maybe someone who has had just the sleeve will chime in and give their experience.

Sounds like all went well with your appointment - yea!

I don't know why they have the advice they do but I believe we have to keep carbs low while losing -- or at least most of us do -- so I don't actually agree with it.

I found if got in all my protein and limited my carbs that my calories and fat intake pretty much took care of itself. I still counted everything but my main focus when picking foods was how to maximize protein and minimize carbs.

I find it strange too, but this came from the Nut which might explain it LOL  I will go check in the sleeve forum too and see what they do

Tony, the only thing I've counted is protein...as long as I  get enough, I have very little room for anything else.

My nut also wanted us to count everything but I did this to get OFF dieting the rest of my life and to live somewhat normal and as close to what a thin person does. And a naturally thin person does not count calories. http://health.yahoo.net/experts/eatthis/7-laws-leanness

LAW #1: Lean People Don’t Diet
What? Of course lean people diet! They’re just magically better at denying themselves than the rest of us are, right?

No. In reality, studies show that the number one predictor of future weight gain is being on a diet right now. Part of the reason is that restricting calories reduces strength, bone density, and muscle mass—and muscle is your body’s number-one calorie burner. So by dieting, you’re actually setting yourself up to gain more weight than ever. And a recent study in the journal Psychosomatic Medicine showed that tracking your diet in a food journal can actually boost your stress levels, which in turn increases your level of a hormone called cortisol, and cortisol is linked to—you guessed it—weight gain.

LAW #2: Lean People Don’t Go Fat-Free
A European study tracked nearly 90,000 people for several years and discovered that participants who tried to eat “low fat" had the same risk of being overweight as those who ate whatever they wanted.

Fat doesn’t make you fat, period. Indeed, you need fat in your diet to help you process certain nutrients, like vitamins A, D, and E, for example. And many “fat-free" foods are loaded with sugar, and therefore have even more calories than their full-fat cousins. Even the American Heart Association says that fat-free labels lead to higher consumption of unhealthy sweets. Fat keeps you full and satisfied. Fat-free will send you running back to the fridge in an hour, hungry for more.

LAW #3: Lean People Sit Down to Eat
In fact, the more you sit down and enjoy your food, the leaner you’re going to be. Punishing yourself only makes you fat!

Greek researchers recently reported that eating more slowly and savoring your meal can boost levels of two hormones that make you feel fuller. And researchers at Cornell University found that when people sat down at the table with already full plates of food, they consumed up to 35 percent less than they did when eating family-style—that is, by passing serving dishes around the table.

LAW #4: Lean People Know What They’re Going to Eat Next
Planning your responses to hunger may help you shed pounds faster, say Dutch researchers. They posed their subjects questions like “If you’re hungry at 4 p.m., then . . . what?" Those who had an answer (“I’ll snack on some almonds") were more successful at losing weight than those who didn’t have an answer.

LAW #5: Lean People Eat Protein
In a recent European study, people who ate moderately high levels of protein were twice as likely to lose weight and keep it off as those who didn’t eat much protein.

A New England Journal of Medicine study looked at a variety of eating plans and discovered that eating a diet high in protein and low in refined starches (like white bread) was the most effective for weight loss. Protein works on two levels: First, you burn more calories to digest it. Second, because your body has to work harder to digest a Big Mac than, say, a Ho Ho, you stay fuller longer.

LAW #6: Lean People Move Around
I don’t mean climbing Kilimanjaro, breaking the tape at the Boston Marathon, or spending 24 hours at 24 Hour Fitness. I mean going for a short bike ride (20 minutes burns 200 calories), taking a leisurely walk (145 calories every 51 minutes), wrestling with your kids (another 100 calories smoked in 22 minutes), or fishing (there’s 150 calories gone in an hour—even more if you actually catch something).

Simply put, fit people stay fit by having fun. Scientists have a name for how you burn calories just enjoying yourself. It’s called NEAT: non-exercise activity thermogenesis. Sounds complicated, like something only policy wonks at a global warming summit are qualified to discuss. But it’s pretty simple: Pick a few activities that you enjoy, from tossing a stick for your dog to bowling with your best friend, and just do them more often. The average person makes 200 decisions every day that affect his or her weight. If you choose the fun option more often than not, you’ll see results.

LAW #7: Lean People Watch Less TV
Instead of calling it the boob tube, maybe we should call it the man-boob tube. About 18 percent of people who watch less than two hours of TV a day have a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or more—the cutoff line for obesity, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But of those who watch more than four hours of TV a day, nearly 30 percent have a BMI that high, according to a study in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology.

So get out of the counting calories, diet mentality and be a THIN person.

Liz

  you know im absolutely nuts about these recommendations .   the only one i take issue to is the fat free  thing - because if i eat fat  my  stomach acid  maker gets triggered and i just want more and more and more and i cant breathe and i gain weight hand over fist .   Fat is NOT good for me at least lol.

That said  I was a chunk eating like this  all my life .   I NEVER was  a junk eater  .. i got fat  on  eating all the right stuff.  way too much of it and way too often , granted  ( basically munching constantly ) ...

Ava, fat may be one of the foods you have to avoid but most skinny people I know that are naturally skinney do not eat fat free. Two of my cousin's do not and they are probably a 19-20 BMI and healthy as can be. My daughter who is 5'3" and weighs 120 soaking wet, also eats fats.

So they list works, just not for you.

Liz

yeah you probably saw the same NUT that told me that if I eat 1200 calories a day then I can have 120 grams of carbs...umm yeah okay, I told her that I want to eat no more than like 60 grams of carbs a day...

Sure would be nice if all WLS Docs and Nuts were all following one plan just like Docs do for Diabetics and other illnesses. Why can't it be that simple provided there are no complications of course

I think im just going to split the difference

Tony, the GOOD docs for diabetics also do not follow a set plan as no two of us are alike. We each have individual needs...called "YMMV" Your milage may vary.

Example, I counted carbs while on insulin...most type II's do not do that as they are on a blend of 70/30 insulin. But if you do count carbs, you have to watch what your meter tells you, not what a doctor or nut tell you to do. I grew up eating rice...which makes my blood sugar spike like I had just poured pure sugar in my system...but could eat potatoes with hardly a blip on the meter. My brother in law couldn't touch potatoes for the same reason I had to avoid rice, but could eat rice.

Now a doctor or nut would have said avoid both.

Liz