I don't know about U ...

 Now my question is  were U losing a lot of weight in WW  eating that way  ?  because if U were  then U were metabolizing Ur own fat ...  so  essentially the equivalent of eating fat  perhaps ...  

just curious  if U dont mind answering  my question  Lee ... 

I NEVER lost more than 2-3 pounds a month on WW, regardless of how few points I ate and how much I exercise.  VSG has really been the only thing that's ever worked for me!

Is not that funny? On the VSG board I see a HUGE correlation with low fat eating and gallbladder issues.

My theory was, gallbladder is triggered by fat in the body, so it squeezes out bile to go and eat it up/break it up/make it so the body can process/utilize/eliminate. When body does not eat fat much/at all then the bile sits there and gets sludgey and when its called on to eat it - then squeeze and UGG, all plugged up.

So.. me?  I am 2 years out. I have eaten full fat the WHOLE TIME and never had any of the mysterious and painful attacks, acid reflux, none of that.  I *also* did not have Actigall prescribed to me. 

Just sayin.  Sometimes we fit things we see to go along with our bent - and do not see a wider picture, because frankly, it does not support our bent.

Just saying also, as a person who eats EXACTLY and fattier than you admonish folks for eating,  with labs that are GREAT in everything but protein. so... *shrug*

Who can know?  ITs a thing we can continue to agree to disagree about, but while you can argue with my ways, its really hard to look at me, my labs, my health and my health history since surgery, and argue about my results. 

I also have to wonder out loud, but is it like hair loss, or losing 3 shoe sizes?  Something that we cannot *know* it will or will not happen, but know that whatever you do, you *may* lose your hair, or shoe sizes, or your gallbladder because it was GOING to happen, not because; you did not get your protein/zinc in proper combination, lost 100 lbss, ate fat, did not eat fat, did not do the proper dance naked by the light of the waxing and/or waning and/or full moon.  ? 

Disclaimer as always we *are* all different, our bodies all work differently, what diet is EXCELLENT for one is POISON for another!

And that's not good, its not bad, its just THE WAY WE ARE!! YAAY!

Another thign too is - I *dont* eat much processed "knock off" foods, Frankenfoods (foods trying to mimic other foods by adding huge amounts of processed yunk) are on a list of *either eat the real thing or eat something else* for me - I see a lot of folks living off ****pots of processed foods and calling it *healthy* - but look at their *real* health, their labs?  And it aint so.

But again - we all have to find the things that work for US. 

U absolutely speak the truth( gorgeous !) Brandilynn and I wholeheartedly agree with U based on my experience as a personal trainer - people's bodies are radically DIFFERENT ! You have to suss out what works best for YOU through trial and error .

I am ABSOLUTELY biased in favor of fat free eating because of my lifelong experience with a congenital severe hiatal hernia and resulting severe acid reflux . Ingesting fat made that a LOT worse and lot more painful. It also made me a lot more FAT a lot faster .

so yeah , im totally biased.

And also totally teachable ... because I realize that Im coming from relatively low numbers and STILL having issues getting to the number I want to maintain at . So my diet is not all that fat -loss promoting either ( though it is gentle, food-addict friendly , very healthy and proven long-term maintainable ) .

I just hate to see unnecessary suffering of any kind - this has been a very interesting discussion ! Ill have to read up on the gallbladder discussions on the VSG board ...

That said ..I STILL STUBBORNLY stand by my stance that fatfree eating WORKS for the hardcore food-addicted while they ratchet down the addiction into an emotional and physical " safety zone" . Not ALL of us can do 3 meals a day or around 900 calories a day ( at least HONESTLY ) right off the bat right away .... .

The fat free moderate carb low sugar way I eat allows a LOT of big-meal eating and grazing ..... without WEARING the evidence ..while getting the emotiional eating under control.through OA ..

I COME from eating like a five hundred lb plus person ( I WAS a binge and PURGER - a bulimic for YEARS ) so I look at the alternative as .. fast food .

Maybe we're NOT comparing apples to oranges here ....really .

Im just SO glad SOMETHING works !

And there areway too many people out here with " failed "WLS eating big macs, resigned to never losing weight ( but secretly hopeful in their heart of hearts ) who I think could use a little fat free dreamfields lasagna as a viable , acceptable substitution. People *****ally see no way out because they couldnt POSSIBLY do three small meals a day or shakes and a few snax.....lol.

I just don't see why WE dont try to reach out by creating a viable middle road ....from where they are stuck.... to where we are succesful.... something they could find flexible enough to work with that would still allow them to lose some weight ( of course ) and eventually ratchet down the food addiction enough to allow some emotional recovery and hopefully SPACE between meals .

Maybe even enough space to exercise . Recovery begins sometimes only a few baby steps at a time ...

In the 1970's, Americans were sold a bill of goods that Low Fat was the way to lose weight. And the government pushed carbs instead, HAD to get our fiber. Even the Food pyramid back then had breads/grains at the bottom in the greatest servings.

According to the CDC:
During the past 20 years there has been a dramatic increase in obesity in the United States. In 2009, only Colorado and the District of Columbia had a prevalence of obesity less than 20%.

Notice the "last 20 years part".




Today's pyramid:


Notice now, vegetables and fruit have a larger slice of the pie not grains.

So if low fat was how to eat, why is America getting bigger since so many of us were eat low fat. Turn around and almost everything and everyone was eating low fat. Why?? We were told to eat carbs instead and someone had the even brighter idea to subtract fiber from carbs and call them "net carbs".  But carbs TURN into sugar in the body. The only two food groups that do not contain carbs are meats and fats. So while we were DECREASING our fat intake we still wanted good tasting food.

The Health Halo: How low–fat foods can actually make you fatter
Three recent studies done by the Food and Brand Lab found that putting low–fat labels on snack foods encouraged people to eat up to 50% more than those who saw labels without the low fat claim. Simply seeing the words 'low–fat' encouraged people in these studies to consume 84 extra calories! This happens because when consumers see the "low–fat" label on a product, they automatically assume it has fewer calories.

So low fat is a trap.

Liz

Well the funny thing is I TOTALLY agree with that but not for the same reasons U do probably Liz .

I think most low fat foods are very cynically deliberately mislabeled high fat or nearly as high- fat foods as the original version .... and yes noone is going to get any skinnier eating these .


To me anything labeled lowfat is s meaningless as no label at all ... I always read the WHOLE label and if it has more than one gram of fat per serving its a no go . Its also a no go if for instance a small item has 16 servings ..and one gram of fat per serving .

My common sense tells me then that the item itself has nearly 16 grams of fat in it . If I eat this item in two servings , then I am eating 8 grams of fat per serving . Noone is getting skinny eating eight grams of fat in a sitting lol. ( except someone with a DS ! )

This , precisely is the problem with 100 calorie snacks . though they MAY ( and may not be really 100 calories , the DEFINITELY contain 3, 4and 5 grams of FAT in that single serving size ... ) Again hard to get skinny eating that much fat . ( or fatty carbs take yer pick )

LOWFAT is not nearly the same as FAT FREE . Most people who eat FAT FREE maintain a healthy weight . They may not LOSE weight ..but they don't gain readily . Now of course to be really healthy U need to supplement SOME cell building fat in the form of evening primrose oil capsules and flaxseed oil capsules - these actually make U crave fats less and lose weight believe it or not .

Also by talking about FOOD GROUPS ( at the insitence of the lawyers of the various food lobbies ) we're totally ignoring what we know according to our COMMON SENSE : that fresh food is infinitely superior nutritionally to processed and preserved foods , that high fiber food is superior to low fiber food ...

so rather than talking about CARBs can we talk about VEGETABLES , Fruits , Bread , and fatty snack foods as separate food groups lol?

because they definitely react very differently in the body !

vegetables and fruits and even most breads are fat free .... and no they are not the devil especially when the diet consists mostly of number one , a little of number two and a moderate amount of number three .

At least so I find .

I personally dont eat "low fat "snack foods AT ALL pretty much EVER so I agree with you 100 % by VOTING WITH MY FEET lol on that one

While veggies and fruits may be fat free, they aren't SUGAR (carb) free. And even too may of those can cause issues.

Virtually all packaged foods bear labels that reveal something about the contents. The FDA now requires that labels of packaged foods list the amount of carbohydrate, protein, fat, and fiber in a serving. Be sure, however, to note the size of the “serving." Sometimes the serving size is so small that you wouldn’t want to be bothered eating it. Beware of labels that say “lite,"“light,"“sugar-free,"“dietetic,"“diet," “reduced-calorie," “low-calorie," et cetera. Counts of calories are only going to tell you so much, and “low fat" is going to tell you nothing about carbohydrate content. “Fat-free" desserts may be the most dangerous of all. Even if you’re losing weight, carbohydrate intake will impede your efforts much more than fat will. Recent studies support this—but only if carbohydrate is very limited. They showed thaFor example, When carbohydrate is low, the fat is metabolized, not stored. “Low-fat" and “fat-free" foods frequently but not always contain more carbohydrate than the foods they replace. The only way you can determine the carbohydrate content is to read the amount stated on the label. But even this can be deceptive. For example, one popular brand of “sugarfree" strawberry preserves has a label that states, “Carbohydrate—0."

Yet anyone can see the strawberries in the jar, and common sense would tell you that strawberries contain carbohydrate. So deceptive labeling occurs and, in my experience, is fairly prevalent in the “diet" food industry.

Beets. Like most other sweet-tasting vegetables, beets are loaded with sugar. Sugar beets are a source of table sugar.

Carrots. After cooking, carrots taste sweeter and appear to raise blood sugar much more rapidly than when raw. This probably relates to the breakdown of complex carbohydrates into simpler sugars by heat. Even raw carrots should be avoided. If, however, you are served a salad with a few carrot shavings on top for decoration, don’t bother to remove them. The amount is insignificant, just like a teaspoon of milk.

Corn. Not a vegetable at all but a grain, as noted above. Nearly all of the corn grown in the United States is used for two main purposes. One is the production of sweeteners. Most of the sugar in Pepsi-Cola, for example, comes from corn. The other major purpose is animal feed, e.g., fattening up hogs, cattle, and chickens. Corn for consumption by people, as a “vegetable" or as snack foods, comes in third.

Potatoes. Cooked potatoes raise blood sugar almost as fast as pure glucose, even though they may not taste sweet. Giving up potatoes is a big sacrifice for many people, but it will also make a big difference.

Tomatoes, tomato paste, and tomato sauce. Tomatoes, as you know, are actually a fruit, not a vegetable, and as with citrus fruits, their tang can conceal just how sweet they are. The prolonged cooking necessary for the preparation of tomato sauces releases a lot of glucose, and you would do well to avoid them. If you’re at someone’s home for dinner and are served meat or fish covered with tomato sauce, just scrape it off. The small amount that might remain should not significantly affect your blood sugar. If you are having them uncooked in salad, limit yourself to one slice or a single cherry tomato per cup of salad. Onions fall into this same category—despite some sharp flavor, they’re quite sweet, some varieties sweeter than others. There are other vegetables in the allium family that can be easily substituted, although in smaller quantities, such as shallots and elephant garlic.

 

Sweet or Starchy Vegetables
• Beans: chili beans, chickpeas, lima beans, lentils, sweet peas, et cetera (string beans, snow peas, and bell and chili peppers, which are mostly cellulose, are okay, as are limited amounts of many soybean products)
• Beets
• Carrots
• Corn
• Onions, except in small amounts
• Packaged creamed spinach containing flour
• Parsnips
• Potatoes
• Cooked tomatoes, tomato paste, tomato sauce, and raw tomatoes except in small amounts
• Winter squash

Fruit and Juices
• All fruits (except avocados)
• All juices (including tomato and vegetable juices)

All of those above contain sugar which converts into carbs...which is what makes us fat.

Liz

This post stressed me, lol.  I hope I will figure out what works with my body.    I just need to eat dinner and get to my tired self to bed!  I did not sleep last night

Sorry you didn't sleep and figuring out what is best for you is really the best way. Liz

 See  Liz I can and do eat all  those veggies and fruits   you mention regularly  ...  and even whole grain  bread  and sometimes pasta ...  and fat free dairy and even fat free desserts in moderation ... ( no I don't go to town on the desserts  mainly  because I honestly find them way too sweet  unless I bake them myself ..and even then  .. Im not that attracted )   

Thank God  MY  Body doesnt gain weight from eating vegetables and fruit  and salads .

Just  to put it out there  . There  are a LOT  of RNYers  complaining (  especially  years out )  of reactive hypoglycemia  .. which is basically quick blood sugarswings  after meals due to  not having a pylorus valve anymore .  

The only cure is to eat little  and often...  basically all day grazing .   And to eat a  diet high in  carbs .  

Guess what .. I suspect fat free  may be  the ONLY way to  eat  with that condition and  successfully maintain  the weight loss.