approved for rny..thinking of DS

can we really never ever take motrin or NSAIDS again?!?!?! that really worries me...i have severe menstrual cramps, ganglion cysts in both of wrists (work related) AND lower back pain (hope the weight coming off helps) and all of these are only relieved by motrin/ibuprofen......HELP!!!!!

Stop by and see us on the DS board :)
http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/DS/

I know some RNYers that have taken NSAIDs on occasion, but if you really need to take them on a regular basis, I would give the DS some serious thought so that you can prevent possible ulcer formation.  Not to mention it's other good benefits :)

With the DS there are more benefits than RNY.  I did so much research that it changed my mind from Lapband to RNY and now finally to DS.  I have found great comparison charts on the differences between RNY and DS.  Dumping syndrome scared me, too.  Like with RNY you have to limit how much you eat and with DS you are absorbing less fat.  There is just so much to take in.  I can find that comparison for you and send it to ya.  That is great you got approved though. Congrats!

This is the only one I can find right now. Hope it helps!

http://www.dsfacts.com/Comparison-of-DS-and-RNY.html

thanks so much....i'll be calling my insurance to see what the next step would be if i decide to go with the DS...i know i'll do well with whatever i end up having..im just worried about long term issues.

I found it!!



RNY compared to the DS RNY – expected weight loss

• 50-65% expected excess weight loss (percentage varies in opinion – this is the most commonly seen estimate)
  • Results may vary
• Regain
  • Possible regain: more prevalent after 5 years
  • 50-100% regain of weight has been recorded
  • Results may vary
  • Must follow “pouch rules" in an attempt to not regain

DS – expected weight loss

• 85% expected excess weight loss
  • Results may vary
• Regain
  • Studies show little to no regain (20-40 pounds recorded)
  • Results may vary
  • Highest success rate over 10 year study (78% avg. Excess Weight Loss – EWL)

 RNY – have a stoma (stomach made into a pouch – size of an egg)

• Size: 2 oz
  • Stretch to average size of 6 oz in 2 years (possible to stretch up to 9-10 oz)
  • You can eat more as time goes by
  • Average after 1 year is 1-1.5 cups of food
• No Endoscopes on blind stomach/remnant stomach that is bypassed
  • Doctor evaluation: cannot use an endoscope (to find ulcers and tumors)
  • RYGBP construction makes the large bypassed distal stomach inaccessible to standard non-invasive diagnostic modalities. Neither x-ray contrast studies nor endoscopy can assess this potentially important but hidden area.
• Stoma: pouch
  • Should not take Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory drugs (NSAID).
• NSAIDs are: Advil, Alka Seltzer, Aleve, Anacin, Ascription, Aspirin, Bufferin, Coricidin, Cortisone, Dolobid, Empirin, Excedrin, Feldene, Fiorinol, Ibuprofen, Meclomen, Motrin, Nalfon, Naprosyn, Norgesic, Tolectin, Vanquish
  • NSAIDs are used for arthritis, bursitis, tendonitis, back pain, headaches, and general aches and pains.
  • Taking NSAIDs could develop into a bleeding ulcer and interfere with kidney function.
• Possible Problems
  • Ulcers (Some doctors recommend taking prilosec for 6 months to 1/2 years in an attempt to prevent the ulcers)
  • Possibility of a staple line failure
  • Noncompliance: simply do not lose enough (even with following the rules)
  • Vitamin Deficiencies
  • Narrowing/blockage of the stoma
  • Vomiting if food is not properly chewed or if food is eaten to quickly
  • Dumping syndrome, NIPHS, Hypoglycemia
    • No Valve (pyloric valve that opens and closes to let food enter intestines is bypassed) which means food empties directly into the small intestines and causes dumping and/or can cause NIPHS or Hypoglycemia
• Dumping: food (most commonly sugar but not necessarily “just" sugar) enters/dumps directly into small intestines and causes physical pain (some people believe this pain enforces good eating habits)
  • Dumping varies in degree of occurrence and discomfort
  • Dumping symptoms:
    • Nausea
    • Vomiting
    • Bloated stomach
    • Diarrhea
    • Excessive sweating
    • Increased bowel sounds
    • Dizziness
    • “Emotional" reactions
• NIPHS (insulin over production): “the body overproduces insulin in response to food entering the intestines at a point where food would normally be more digested already - this part of the intestine is not used to coping with metabolizing glucose in the condition it arrives after RNY, and it is suspected that the intestine signals the pancreas for more insulin to aid digestion, causing a MASSIVE overproduction. The change occurs on a cellular level, hard to diagnose. Treatment: Removal of half the pancreas."
  • RNY stoma that is created allows food to go straight through the stomach into the small intestine unrestricted so it does not control the flow.  Because of that the body reads that it needs more insulin because the food is moving through so quickly and it thinks there's going to be a lot more food.  With the DS, the normal peristalsis works because the pyloric valve is in place and can control the movement of food into the small intestines.  
  • NIPHS, Hypoglycemia is deadly if not corrected

 DS – whole stomach (size of banana)

• “Whole working stomach" - meaning the stomach’s outer curvature is removed as opposed to making a pouch/stoma.
  • Part of the stomach removed is where most of the hormone called Grehlin is produced.
  • Grehlin gives the sensation of hunger so by removing most of that section of the stomach a DSer is not as hungry as before.
• Whole working stomach: no blind stomach. Endoscope can be used.
• Can take NSAIDs
• Do not need to take Prilosec to prevent ulcers.
• Valves are in tack: no Dumping Syndrome or NIPHS

 RNY – Eating

• Eat protein first
  • 60g of protein a day
• Recommended to chew food to liquid consistency (pureed, soft, thoroughly chewed)
  • This is more important for people early out (new pouch stomach will stretch out with time).
  • Food is thoroughly chewed to prevent blockage (the hole/path leaving the stomach and into the intestine is roughly the size of a dime).
  • To get food unstuck, patients drink meat tenderizer mixed with water.
• Low carbohydrates
  • Carbohydrates can slow weight loss and lead to possible regain
  • Avoid sugars in particular (to prevent dumping syndrome)
• Low fat
  • Foods high in fat may cause Dumping Syndrome
  • Fatty foods can lead to slow weight loss or possible regain
• 64 oz of water
  • Stop drinking within 15-30 minutes of a meal
  • Do not begin drinking after a meal for 1-1.5 hours
  • Some doctors do not encourage the use of a straw (pushes food too quickly through the stomach and can cause gas/discomfort)
• Water Loading
  • 15 minutes before the next meal, drink as much as possible as fast as possible. 
  • Water loading will not work if you haven’t been drinking over the last few hours.
  • You can water load at any time 2-3 hours before your next meal if you get hungry, which will cause a strong feeling of fullness.
    • Disclaimer: this is a practice some people use to feel “full" and lose weight. Not a requirement.

DS – Eating

• Eat protein first
  • 80-100g of protein
  • DS patients can on average eat more food than any other type of weight loss surgery.
• Low carbohydrates
  • Carbohydrates can slow the weight loss and lead to possible regain
  • No dumping syndrome from eating sugar (or fat)
• Eat high in fat
  • DS only absorb 20% of fat (do not need to eat low fat)
    • If a taco has 20g of fat, a DSer only absorbs 4g while a person without surgery or RNY absorbs ALL 20g. (this is just an example, measuring absorption is not an exact science)
    • When experiencing a “stall" (slowed weight loss/plateau) a DS patient commonly increases fat consumption to resolve
• 64 oz of water
  • Can drink with meals
  • Can use a straw

RNY – Possible Issues

• Vitamin deficiencies: Must follow a vitamin regime for the rest of your life
  • Common vitamin deficiencies found in vitamins B12, iron, and zinc
  • Calcium must be supplemented for the rest of your life
• Bathroom issues
  • Gas
  • Constipation
  • Dumping in the form of loose stools
• Reversible procedure (Reversals of any surgery is very complicated)
  • Revision often performed instead of reversal
  • Revising to a different type of surgery is possible.

 DS – Possible Issues

• Vitamin deficiencies: Must follow a vitamin regime for the rest of your life
  • Common vitamin deficiencies found in vitamins A, D, and iron
  • “Water soluble"/ “water miscible" / “dry" vitamins absorb best (in other words get vitamins that are not fat/oil based)
  • Calcium must be supplemented for the rest of your life
• Bathroom issues
  • Gas
  • Loose stool (Most common in the first few weeks of surgery. Generally food related)
• Reversible procedure
  • The intestinal bypass is reversible for those having absorption complications
    • revision: lengthening common channel (to stop losing weight and/or to absorb vitamins)
  • Stomach is obviously not reversible (part of stomach was removed)

  RNY - Diabetes

• 85% cure rate
  • RNY can put diabetes in remission.
  • Diabetes may come back in two or three years--even if the
    patient maintains most of their weight loss.
  • Even a small amount of weight gain, long-term, can cause a diabetes
    relapse.

 DS – Diabetes

• 98 % cure rate for type II diabetes.

  DS – Myth or Fact The DS is only recommended for the super morbid obese (BMI over 60) = Myth / Not True

• To be eligble for ANY type of weight loss surgery, a person has to be 100 lbs. over weight or have a body mass index (BMI) of 40 or more.
• BMI’s under 40 have also been approved (usually require a comorbidy/health problem - an example is sleep apnea).

The DS is “experimental and investigational" = Myth / Not True

• Medicare approves the DS
• Many insurance companies are starting to cover the DS.
• DS has been performed since the 1970s

DSer will have a problem when they become old = Not True

• We wont need to eat as much when we are older b/c our bodies will adapt
• The little hair-like villa located in the intestines grows longer to adjust to the new digestive system (grows longer to increase absorbtion).

DSer’s gas stink = true

• The gas does smell. (This is true for the DS and RNY)
• There are products called air fresheners that a person can use.
• May take Flagyl or fish zole

DSers may need to wear a diaper = Myth / Not True

• That is silly

Skin color turns yellow or pallor = Myth / Not True

• Patients who follow their regular vitamin regime (keep up with blood work) do not turn pallor
• If someone looks pallor, they could have a vitamin deficiency. This applies to any type of weight loss surgery. For both RNY and the DS.
• Vitamins and blood work must be monitored for life. For both RNY and the DS.

DSers will have a heart attack from all the fatty food they eat = Myth / Not True

• Cholesterol levels lower after having the DS. 
• 80% of the fatty food is not absorbed – the fatty food is healthier to eat as a DSer than a person without surgery.
• If a taco has 20g of fat, a DSer only absorbs 4g while a person without surgery or a person with the RNY will absorb ALL 20g. Good meal for the DSer. (this is just an example, measuring absorption is not an exact science)

Dsers don’t need to exercise = Myth / Not true

• DSer’s are aware of the benefits of exercise (body and soul).
• Exercise helps in losing weight and maintaining goal weight 

 *Possible issues are just that, “possible," and may or may not occur.  

I'm 10000000000000% percent happy with my RNY.  It's been wonderful for me for almost 2 years now. 

I wouldn't let a small thing as not being able to take Motrin swade you in your surgery choices.  Do some research that supports what's best for you based off your health and lifestyle.  Consult with your surgeon who can better inform you of whats going to work best for you.

I take Tylenol for everything and it's perfectly fine.....where Tylenol didn't work for me pre-op it works great now!

HTH
Ash :)

hmmm all very good info, but i kinda feel like that mine have been written by someone "all for" the DS....i searched and searched for an unbiased study and i actually found where the National Institute of Health put out a Consensus US statement which says that the DS was found to produce (on average) 70% or higher weight loss and the RNY was found to produce 65% or greater, not that much difference.
I have a lot to think about...like do i really want to get involved in a dragged out battle with my insurance for a different surgery. I'm so grateful to have even been approved for the RNY, I'm a "lightweight" and you wouldn't believe how often I've heard "why are you having surgery?", "just get on a diet", and even "you don't deserve the surgery, you're not BIG enough"... I don't know about you....but 230lbs on a small 4'11 1/2 inch frame is pretty bad...and I've chosen to take control of my weight/life NOW...i, like many of my friends on this forum, have chosen NOT to wait until we are older and even more sick. Well I just know that whatever happens..my life will never ever be the same after surgery because I am going to make sure of it...gonna work hard, i cant believe there are people out there who think WLS is taking the easy way out, its just not true!!!

k gotta get to bed

/rant! lol


p.s. i TRUELY appreciate all the feedback =)

I'm 25 now, 23 when I had my RNY.......and by no means is it the easy road, easy way out...etc!  People who think that are blooming idots!  All of us on here have risked our lives or are about to have WLS.  It's not taken lightly and it's the "last straw" for us to lose the weight for good. 

I was 230 lbs. and I'm 5'3" and I got the "honey ur not fat enough for surgery" why don't you try the South Beach Diet..etc...all the time. 

Some people will never understand.........

Good luck Blanca on whatever surgery you choose.  Best wishes!

Ash :)

thank you so much!! cant wait to be where u are!!! =)