SUPERMAN spoke his mind the otherday....LOL

k so we are headin into chillies... bc i was really wantin a cup of cheese soup... so we are sittin there and he says i have a question... i was like k i am in trouble.. he says "if WLS patients are to not eat sugar and be sugar free and no high carbs and high protein... doesnt that mean that they are turnin themselves into diabetics? and i thought being a diabetic was a bad thing... and if its a bad thing why have surgery..." K well that kinda put me in awe.... and of course i had no answer but i did say... gee to bad you didnt think of this before i had surgery ... so i am on a quest to get this answered for him ... now i cant just give him a blowoff answer bc he will drill me with questions.... i kinda married a guy that is 10 times smarter then me.... LOL i mean i can understand his logic and thinking but i just dont know how to answer him ...i mean all i am commin up with is im healthy now aint i.....lol

Sorry, but Superman is confused and has it backwards. Diabetics have high sugar. That's why they have to take insulin. We are not supposed to have sugar because it can make some of us dump. Does that answer your question? Joanne

now see i tried that but he said... if diabetics are to be on a sugar free diet then have regular sugar that would send them sky rocketing... but if WLS people have to be on a SF diet and we have regular sugar after so many yrs of being SF that could make us go into a sugar comma or our glucose go skyrcketing as well..... is that right... or is he just testing me to see if i really know whats goin on...??lol

That actually not true. Diabetics take insulin to control their sugar. If their sugar gets too low for some reason, then they do need to have something with sugar (usually orange juice or something sweet). Diabetics do not have to be on a completely sugar free diet, they just have to control their sugar level. That's why they test their blood sugar several times a day. I hate to say this, but it sounds like Superman doesn't really know anything about diabetes or maybe he is just testing you. Sugar will not put us into a coma. I drink a glass of orange juice every morning and that has sugar. I'm not in a coma... LOL Joanne

Controlling your sugar levels, as a method of losing weight or maintaining a weight loss is without the long term complications suffered by diabetics. These are just a few of the potential long-term complications which diabetes can cause: 1) severe circulatory problems (often resulting in limb amputations) 2) impaired wound healing (making life saving surgeries difficult) 3) loss of eyesight (impairment and/or total blindness can result) Not to mention the requirement to supplement daily with insulin, because the body will not produce enough of it to control your sugar levels. Diabetes is a difficult disease as it requires constant monitoring of the sugar levels. With the RNY, you know your own tolerances and you discover your own limits in regard to sugar/fat intake. Daily monitoring of your sugar levels is not required. Hope this helps. Karen G

i think i am just gonna pass these responses on to his email...LOL

Definitions of Diabetes on the Web: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&defl=en&q=define:Diabetes&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title Definitions of dumping syndrome on the Web: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&defl=en&q=define:dumping+syndrome&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title HTH Hugs Wendy

What I believe Superman is reffering to is Ketosis (keh-toe-sis) Deliberately induced ketosis through a low-carbohydrate diet has been used to treat medical conditions. The ketogenic diet is an approach to treating epilepsy, and the Atkins Nutritional Approach is marketed for treating obesity. Ketosis is a stage in metabolism occurring when the liver has been depleted of stored glycogen and switches to a fasting mode such as occurs during sleep, during dieting, and during the body's response to starvation. Energy from fat is mobilized to the liver and used to synthesize glucose (a process called gluconeogenesis) from lactic acid, glucogenic amino acids, and glycerol carbon substrates. Ketones are also produced during this fasting state, and are burned throughout the body. Ketones are a means of making the energy of fat available in water soluble form, and to displace as much burning of glucose as possible. Glucose must be conserved in the fasting state because parts of the brain, retina, kidney and red blood cells depend exclusively on it for energy, and in order to conserve muscle protein which must be catabolized to provide the glucogenic amino acid substrate for synthesis of glucose. During the initial stages of starvation the brain does not burn ketones, since they are an important substrate for lipid synthesis in the brain. But after several days of starvation, the brain transitions to burning ketones in order to more directly utilize the energy from the fat stores that are being depended upon, and to reserve the glucose only for its absolute needs, thus slowing the depletion of the body's protein store in the muscles. The brain retains a residual need for glucose, because ketones can only provide energy aerobically via mitochondria. In the long thin neurons, much of the metabolically active cellular membrane is too far from the nearest mitochondria and must derive its energy anaerobically (without oxygen) from glucose without the assistance of mitochondria. Ketosis, which is one of the body's processes for the metabolism of body fat, should not be confused with ketoacidosis (severe ketosis which causes the blood to become acidic), a medical condition induced by diabetes, that is usually accompanied by dehydration, hyperglycemia, and insulin deficiency. Since insulin is required to utilize glucose, lack of insulin causes an energy crisis and the body goes to extremes to produce more glucose and also provide ketones for energy. Glucose accumulates to the point that the kidney must use water to spill it into the urine, losing tha****er and causing dehydration in the process. The dehydration exacerbates the acidosis in a vicious cycle. Alcoholic ketoacidosis is also an energy crisis but of different origin. Because alcohol causes dehydration and blocks the first step of gluconeogenesis, the body is unable to synthesize enough glucose to meet its needs, thus the energy crisis begins. The breath of people in a ketagenic state commonly contains acetone, detectable as a sweet smell that may be mistaken for ethyl alcohol.

our office is full of diabetics and they are all overweight. None are loosing the only thing they do besides 'medication' is count their 'carbs' they limit the amount they eat at one time but still eat. The carb counting isnt limited to sugar free items. Ive seen them eat candy, cookies, pasta or whatever - they just look and say 'well its under 25 carbs' and go at it. Let hubby know 'some' wls - if your a DSer or lapbander 'sugar isnt a 'no no' nor is being sugar free, no high carbs etc - they are into 'portion' control. Even RNY' depending on who we are and how 'far' can do 'portions vs eating no sugar - some do the no sugar, no high carbs others do portion/calorie counting - it varies person to person... We havent turned ourselves into diabetics we are just 'solving' our paticular 'problem' the same way. or give him this mind boggle; Diabetics are having wls and being 'cured' of diabeties - shots etc with just having the surgery. so you could say diabetics are turning into wls patients to become 'former' diabetics LOL Hubby thinks to much - do something 'fun' to get his mind on other things such as 'you'

Some how I don't think superman IS 10X smarter than you, he just has convinced you that he is and you are not seeing how really smart YOU are. the reason you don't understand his logic is that what he is saying has no logic, it is completely uninformed. read the links someone else posted about dumping syndrome and diabetes and tell him he needs to read them also. And until he has his facts straight he is not to give our Amanda a hard time. *men* (hugs)