Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please help me get back to the basics and jumpstart my weightloss again. I have had a sit down job for the last two years at 10 hour days. I recently switched jobs and hoping that will be a big boost. i actually have to moveat this job. No if and or butts (lol) about it. I am deperate I am sooo upset about my 52 pound gain that I will appreciate all suggestions and use thew wisely.
Missouri Girl
starting weight 389
current 220
GOAL=160
JENNIFFER
Missouri Girl
starting weight 389
current 220
GOAL=160
JENNIFFER
When I got off track and gained some weight, I did the 5 day pouch test then joined weigh****chers. I suggest just going back to basics... Protein first, plan your meals, drink plenty of water and limit your daily carbs. I've also done plateau buster in the past and it works good.
I lost all the weight that I gained back from my lowest and i'm keeping it off.
It's possible! Just make a plan and stick with it. Also coming here and being accountable by posting your food helps.
Good luck
I lost all the weight that I gained back from my lowest and i'm keeping it off.
It's possible! Just make a plan and stick with it. Also coming here and being accountable by posting your food helps.
Good luck
What Kay said..
Yes, the job NOT behind the desk will help. Moving more and consuming less is the basic way to lose weight. You do have to know where you are at this point to decide what direction to go into so journaling your food, like we do on the accountability thread, will help and tell you where you need to work on what you're eating.
Don't beat yourself up, it doesn't help! Figure out if there is a sort of food that you can't say no to and put your foot down and say no, once and for all...at least try. And keep trying. The longer you stay away from a troublesome food, the easier it gets to say no and then eventually you can have it in moderation...and stop when you WANT to.
Good luck to you! We're all there for you...
Dawn
Yes, the job NOT behind the desk will help. Moving more and consuming less is the basic way to lose weight. You do have to know where you are at this point to decide what direction to go into so journaling your food, like we do on the accountability thread, will help and tell you where you need to work on what you're eating.
Don't beat yourself up, it doesn't help! Figure out if there is a sort of food that you can't say no to and put your foot down and say no, once and for all...at least try. And keep trying. The longer you stay away from a troublesome food, the easier it gets to say no and then eventually you can have it in moderation...and stop when you WANT to.
Good luck to you! We're all there for you...
Dawn
Yes, RNY worked for me but it also requires a lot of work from me!
Before Surgery: 214
Highest Weight: 240
Now: 125.6
Goal: 130
Before Surgery: 214
Highest Weight: 240
Now: 125.6
Goal: 130
Thank you. I know everyone here is very supportive and I lost my computer acess. Iactually was very faithful on here for about 4 or 5 years. i have recently went andpurchSED A NEW LAPTOP SO HOPEFULLY that will not happen again. This is my favorite website. I learned soooo much on here. Before and after my surgery.
I have 2 game plans now. I'll post them both. The original that worked for me for ages. Then the one where it DIDn't work and I had to take another strategy.
***
Starting over:
Maybe I can help you start over. YOU have to do it. One thing is to start
recognizing the physical portion of the disease. I could've told you that
you don't care about bfast, don't start eating til mid day and have trouble
slamming on the brakes at night. That is how our disease works.
We start out ok. Then as life starts smacking us down, the serotonin level
goes down. We eat food (carb) to raise serotonin level ( and label it
emotional eating, because it makes us feel better. DUH, it is a chemical
feeling). OUR serotonin level doesn't just go up to a nice comfy level, it
shoots thru the roof, then a lil later, KA THUD, back in the basement.
Repeat cycle. Hence, the more carb we get, the more we want (need) to try to
level out the serotonin, which cannot be leveled for us because it's broken.
Of course, this is taking the blood sugar on a wild ride as well. You can
see the cycle.
SOOOOOOO, you do protein drink (30g each, no added milk, fruit, juice) , small non-carb meal (well, complex carb on
the side is ok, once you get out of the binge cycle) 2-3 hrs later, protein
drink, "sensible meal". Protein drink (esp mid-day, about 2-3pm in a normal
person day) and protein snack. Yet another protein drink
before dinner to lower volume or prevent grazing while prep. About 2 hrs
after dinner, when the S level starts to plummet, stick in a protein shake,
followed by a protein snack. Maybe like meat & cheese with grain cracker or
bread. You'd have to experiment & see if it triggers you. If the craving is really bad, you can do another protein.
All meals are over in 15 min. You take your food on a plate to the eating
place. You can eat anything but milk or sugar & white carbs (right now),
preferably normal fat, not fat free. You can have a big fluffy salad, if
you want. With breaded chicken, with normal dressing--I don't care. What I
don't want is white bread or saltines with it. See?
And of course, start sucking water 30 min after eating and get as much as
possible.
Does it sound do-able?
Vites go (roughly) like so:
iron + C with the first non-dairy, non-caffeine protein or meal (no eggs or whole grains)
1 multi
2 calc (if mine)
1 A-25
1 D-5
1 E
with next protein drink or snack
1 multi
2 calc
1 A-25
1 D-5
1 zinc
1 E
with next protein drink or food
another pair of calcium (or use UpCal D in all shakes EXCEPT the one taken near iron)
B12 any time
If you take HSN or B-complex, it can go with either multi-grouping.
And another 2-3 calcium before bed
And the usual set of "rules",
64+ oz of water, as in water
no drinking with meals
distinct "meals", not grazing
limit sugars to 6 g per MEAL
try to avoid "white" things, like bread, potatoes, rice, pasta
Good snacks:
cheese
beef sticks
jerkies
tuna
chicken (don't care about skin)
smoked salmon
other meats or fish
some protein bars
Issue yourself a portion in a Ziploc bag to take to work or on the go. Control your portion in advance, before you are hungry
It's all about rhythm. Creating a system that keeps you in a "I'm doing the
right thing almost all the time" frame of thinking. That alone helps keep
the serotonin level closer to smooth, esp for US, with the 100# of guilt we
carry at any weight. Ditch the guilt to keep the S level from dropping. If
you fall off the wagon, then by the next meal, you get back on. One slap to
correct yourself and stand back up, do the next one right. Keep the
serotonin level smooth, not whacking all up & down like a yo-yo. You can
ALWAYS insert another protein in the trouble spots until you get a grip on
them.
*****
Starting over AGAIN:
Surgery 10/94
The Peeps Incident spring, 2000, 6# regain, lost in 2 weeks
The Fruit Pounds, summer 2002, 8# regain, lost in 2 MONTHS
The Fudge Pudge, summer 2005, 15# regain, lost two YEARS later
I had fallen into the vat of fudge in June 2005 and could not get out. I went from "just a bite" to being able to eat several donuts a day within a few weeks. And yes, I do dump on sugar, but not if I outsmart it (stupid!).
I ultimately gained 15#. Finally in late 06, I went off sugar completely for 3 months. NOT ONE SINGLE POUND came off. Then, all I did was taste pumpkin pie at Thanksgiving. I don't even LIKE pumpkin pie! But the sugar was on me again, like the proverbial white on rice. I didn't gain any more, but I also couldn't stop eating sugar! Very scary.
In April 07, I realized I HAD to get those 15# off by June 1. I went back to my original doc. He's the least fat- judgmental person I've ever met. He put me on his special program. I already do 6+ protein shakes, powder + water, so adding more is no big deal. Whereas my original get-back-on-track includes moderate carbs, that just didn't work this time. His plan is simple. The protein drinks as I was doing, the more the better. BUT food, "if it doesn't walk, swim or fly, don't eat it". Yes, no nuts, seeds, grains, veggies or fruit. I think it included cheese and eggs, but didn't ask.
I don't LIKE meat/fish/chicken. I do 5 small meals per day + protein drinks, so the best I could do was very low carb protein bars. I chose Rockin' Roll (identical twin to Payday or Nut roll?), smallish bar, 21g protein, but only TWO g net carbs. So, I had a whole bar twice/day and two halves. I tried to eat meat for the 5th meal. Some days I was in a meaty mood and ate a meal of that, skipping a bar. Yes, I used gravy, sauce, mayo.....something with the meats. It was only about the carbs, not the fats.
The funny thing was, after I went completely clean, in just 3 days, the cravings stopped, and I felt........ lighter, less sluggish.
The end result being that I did lose the wt by my goal date AND I felt better. It was actually about 6 months before I even toyed with potatoes or bread again. The last "sugar" I had was 4/1/07.
While fudge or butterceam frosting are for sure my Gateway drugs, I suspect there are more and so I just don't even go there. My staff had donuts, and I was drawn to the ones with sprinkles, so I took the box out to shipping. It's always about texture with me.
My analogy about sugar is thus: I had a dangerous destructive relationship with sugar. He OWNED me and called all the shots. I broke up with him. But he called me and whispered, "It'll be ok, we'll meet in a public place." So yeah, I'd pick up a cookie at the bank and I couldn't get back into bed with him fast enough. I'd break it off again, and then he'd call and say, "It'll be ok, we'll meet in a public place." And I'd pick up a mini-candy at the doctor's office. And I'd be back in bed with him within 24 hours. This sugar, he is one guy I cannot even touch, let alone kiss one time! Bad stuff.
Many others have broken off with him for months or even years, and then he calls, whispers the magic words and BLAM, back in bed with him we all go.
I tell me it's not the "forever again" sugar I can't have, it's just the first bite. It's easier that way.
***
Starting over:
Maybe I can help you start over. YOU have to do it. One thing is to start
recognizing the physical portion of the disease. I could've told you that
you don't care about bfast, don't start eating til mid day and have trouble
slamming on the brakes at night. That is how our disease works.
We start out ok. Then as life starts smacking us down, the serotonin level
goes down. We eat food (carb) to raise serotonin level ( and label it
emotional eating, because it makes us feel better. DUH, it is a chemical
feeling). OUR serotonin level doesn't just go up to a nice comfy level, it
shoots thru the roof, then a lil later, KA THUD, back in the basement.
Repeat cycle. Hence, the more carb we get, the more we want (need) to try to
level out the serotonin, which cannot be leveled for us because it's broken.
Of course, this is taking the blood sugar on a wild ride as well. You can
see the cycle.
SOOOOOOO, you do protein drink (30g each, no added milk, fruit, juice) , small non-carb meal (well, complex carb on
the side is ok, once you get out of the binge cycle) 2-3 hrs later, protein
drink, "sensible meal". Protein drink (esp mid-day, about 2-3pm in a normal
person day) and protein snack. Yet another protein drink
before dinner to lower volume or prevent grazing while prep. About 2 hrs
after dinner, when the S level starts to plummet, stick in a protein shake,
followed by a protein snack. Maybe like meat & cheese with grain cracker or
bread. You'd have to experiment & see if it triggers you. If the craving is really bad, you can do another protein.
All meals are over in 15 min. You take your food on a plate to the eating
place. You can eat anything but milk or sugar & white carbs (right now),
preferably normal fat, not fat free. You can have a big fluffy salad, if
you want. With breaded chicken, with normal dressing--I don't care. What I
don't want is white bread or saltines with it. See?
And of course, start sucking water 30 min after eating and get as much as
possible.
Does it sound do-able?
Vites go (roughly) like so:
iron + C with the first non-dairy, non-caffeine protein or meal (no eggs or whole grains)
1 multi
2 calc (if mine)
1 A-25
1 D-5
1 E
with next protein drink or snack
1 multi
2 calc
1 A-25
1 D-5
1 zinc
1 E
with next protein drink or food
another pair of calcium (or use UpCal D in all shakes EXCEPT the one taken near iron)
B12 any time
If you take HSN or B-complex, it can go with either multi-grouping.
And another 2-3 calcium before bed
And the usual set of "rules",
64+ oz of water, as in water
no drinking with meals
distinct "meals", not grazing
limit sugars to 6 g per MEAL
try to avoid "white" things, like bread, potatoes, rice, pasta
Good snacks:
cheese
beef sticks
jerkies
tuna
chicken (don't care about skin)
smoked salmon
other meats or fish
some protein bars
Issue yourself a portion in a Ziploc bag to take to work or on the go. Control your portion in advance, before you are hungry
It's all about rhythm. Creating a system that keeps you in a "I'm doing the
right thing almost all the time" frame of thinking. That alone helps keep
the serotonin level closer to smooth, esp for US, with the 100# of guilt we
carry at any weight. Ditch the guilt to keep the S level from dropping. If
you fall off the wagon, then by the next meal, you get back on. One slap to
correct yourself and stand back up, do the next one right. Keep the
serotonin level smooth, not whacking all up & down like a yo-yo. You can
ALWAYS insert another protein in the trouble spots until you get a grip on
them.
*****
Starting over AGAIN:
Surgery 10/94
The Peeps Incident spring, 2000, 6# regain, lost in 2 weeks
The Fruit Pounds, summer 2002, 8# regain, lost in 2 MONTHS
The Fudge Pudge, summer 2005, 15# regain, lost two YEARS later
I had fallen into the vat of fudge in June 2005 and could not get out. I went from "just a bite" to being able to eat several donuts a day within a few weeks. And yes, I do dump on sugar, but not if I outsmart it (stupid!).
I ultimately gained 15#. Finally in late 06, I went off sugar completely for 3 months. NOT ONE SINGLE POUND came off. Then, all I did was taste pumpkin pie at Thanksgiving. I don't even LIKE pumpkin pie! But the sugar was on me again, like the proverbial white on rice. I didn't gain any more, but I also couldn't stop eating sugar! Very scary.
In April 07, I realized I HAD to get those 15# off by June 1. I went back to my original doc. He's the least fat- judgmental person I've ever met. He put me on his special program. I already do 6+ protein shakes, powder + water, so adding more is no big deal. Whereas my original get-back-on-track includes moderate carbs, that just didn't work this time. His plan is simple. The protein drinks as I was doing, the more the better. BUT food, "if it doesn't walk, swim or fly, don't eat it". Yes, no nuts, seeds, grains, veggies or fruit. I think it included cheese and eggs, but didn't ask.
I don't LIKE meat/fish/chicken. I do 5 small meals per day + protein drinks, so the best I could do was very low carb protein bars. I chose Rockin' Roll (identical twin to Payday or Nut roll?), smallish bar, 21g protein, but only TWO g net carbs. So, I had a whole bar twice/day and two halves. I tried to eat meat for the 5th meal. Some days I was in a meaty mood and ate a meal of that, skipping a bar. Yes, I used gravy, sauce, mayo.....something with the meats. It was only about the carbs, not the fats.
The funny thing was, after I went completely clean, in just 3 days, the cravings stopped, and I felt........ lighter, less sluggish.
The end result being that I did lose the wt by my goal date AND I felt better. It was actually about 6 months before I even toyed with potatoes or bread again. The last "sugar" I had was 4/1/07.
While fudge or butterceam frosting are for sure my Gateway drugs, I suspect there are more and so I just don't even go there. My staff had donuts, and I was drawn to the ones with sprinkles, so I took the box out to shipping. It's always about texture with me.
My analogy about sugar is thus: I had a dangerous destructive relationship with sugar. He OWNED me and called all the shots. I broke up with him. But he called me and whispered, "It'll be ok, we'll meet in a public place." So yeah, I'd pick up a cookie at the bank and I couldn't get back into bed with him fast enough. I'd break it off again, and then he'd call and say, "It'll be ok, we'll meet in a public place." And I'd pick up a mini-candy at the doctor's office. And I'd be back in bed with him within 24 hours. This sugar, he is one guy I cannot even touch, let alone kiss one time! Bad stuff.
Many others have broken off with him for months or even years, and then he calls, whispers the magic words and BLAM, back in bed with him we all go.
I tell me it's not the "forever again" sugar I can't have, it's just the first bite. It's easier that way.
Michelle
RNY, distal, 10/5/94
P.S. My year + long absence has NOTHING to do with my WLS, or my type of WLS. See my profile.
I agree with everything you have written.
For me it is not sugar, it's flour. I'll never forget, I was three months post op. I wanted bread so bad I couldn't stand it, felt like I was climbing the walls. I don't keep bread or flour products in my house, I eat them if I do. But.... I did have bread crumbs for cooking. I ate the entire can and then started on dry stuffing mix. I didn't even like it, it was nasty but it fixed that medication need... the meds being flour.
To this day all it takes is one spoonful of gravy, one bite of bread, anything with flour and it all starts all over again.
Sugar? I can take it or leave it. Makes no difference to my unless my Vit D levels are low. Then I'm eating a small bag of candy daily. That's my clue. ;o) I start back on Vit and it kills my sugar cravings.
Know what was weird? Not sure if you remember but at one time I sent you my 230-240 Vit D labs. Do you know that sugar was repulsive during that time? Sugar isn't usually repulsive to me - I just don't crave it. If someone hands me a Dove Milk Chocolate piece I'm not going to say, "No thanks!" ;o) But I don't crave it. It's nice every now and again. But when my D levels were high it was a disgusting gross thing to eat sugar.
Shouldn't have all been in my head, I didn't realize at that time that sugar/Vit D had a correlation. I didn't know that until after the fact. But today when I get lazy and don't take Vits I know my D is dropping by sugar cravings alone.
I do like this comment in your post:
~~I tell me it's not the "forever again" sugar I can't have, it's just the first bite. It's easier that way.~~
For me it's flour and I don't say I can never have it again, I tell myself I can have it, just not today. Those little mind games work well. ;o)
I never say what the first symptom of vit D overload is, do I?
D3 cannot go toxic, as in poison. And most would not be symptomatic below levels of 700-800.
But the first symptom is loos of appetite. I don't put it out there very often. Maybe I should since it would encourage ppl to take their vit D levels seriously.
What do you mean........ when I do (or don't) take vit D. Thought we had you down to 25k per day. You nod vehemently here.
D3 cannot go toxic, as in poison. And most would not be symptomatic below levels of 700-800.
But the first symptom is loos of appetite. I don't put it out there very often. Maybe I should since it would encourage ppl to take their vit D levels seriously.
What do you mean........ when I do (or don't) take vit D. Thought we had you down to 25k per day. You nod vehemently here.
Michelle
RNY, distal, 10/5/94
P.S. My year + long absence has NOTHING to do with my WLS, or my type of WLS. See my profile.
On April 10, 2010 at 12:09 PM Pacific Time, vitalady wrote:
I never say what the first symptom of vit D overload is, do I? D3 cannot go toxic, as in poison. And most would not be symptomatic below levels of 700-800.
But the first symptom is loos of appetite. I don't put it out there very often. Maybe I should since it would encourage ppl to take their vit D levels seriously.
What do you mean........ when I do (or don't) take vit D. Thought we had you down to 25k per day. You nod vehemently here.
I'm sleeved, I take 6,000 IUs daily. ;o)
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