Death Rates From Bariatric Surgery

(deactivated member)
on 3/11/08 5:34 pm - NJ

Two new studies add to the growing debate over the potential benefits and risks of using bariatric surgeries to treat obesity. Extremely obese people who have gastric-bypass surgery may live longer than other obese people who haven't had the procedure, the research suggests. But one in 50 gastric-bypass patients die within a month after the operation, which is higher than previously reported, one of the studies found. Supporters argue that the surgery, which creates a much smaller stomach and rearranges the small intestine, can save lives of severely obese people. Obesity is defined as being 100 or more pounds over a healthy body weight. Excess weight increases the risk of diabetes, heart disease, cancer and other illnesses. The surgery costs an average of $26,000. But critics say the risks of the surgery far outweigh the benefits, setting people up for malnutrition and other medical problems that can lead to higher costs. In one of the new studies, researchers with the University of Washington in Seattle evaluated the health records of 66,109 obese patients in the state; 3,328 had a gastric-bypass operation over a 15-year period. The other obese patients had been hospitalized for some other medical reason. The findings, published in October's Journal of the American College of Surgeons: *One in 50 surgery patients died within 30 days. (Other studies have reported one in 200 or one in 500 die.) *About 3% of gastric-bypass patients younger than 40 had died in the 13.6 years after the surgery, compared with 13.8% of those who did not have the surgery. *Overall, 11.8% of gastric-bypass patients of all ages had died after 15 years, compared with 16.3% who hadn't been operated on. "A limitation of the study is we don't know if the people who get the surgery are healthier or sicker than those who don't," says lead researcher David Flum, a gastrointestinal surgeon at University of Washington School of Medicine. There are risks of dying during or after gastric bypass, but those who make it often get improvements in diabetes, heart disease, lung function and other medical problems and seem to live longer, he says. Previous research that examined the risk of dying was from "the best surgeons in the country presenting their best results," Flum says. The new data included all levels of surgical experience. Patients are five times more likely to die if the surgeon has less experience, he says. In another study, researchers at McGill University Health Centre in Montreal compared 1,035 morbidly obese patients who had bariatric surgery, mostly gastric bypass, with 5,746 who were similarly overweight but did not have the operation. The findings in September's Annals of Surgery showed that gastric-bypass patients lost 67% of their excess weight. And in a five-year follow-up period, six people died who had the surgery (four because of the operation), compared with 350 who died in the larger group. After adjusting for the different size of the groups, researchers say bariatric patients had an 89% reduced risk of death. "If you take obese people and invest some money in this surgery, you are going to save lives," says lead researcher Nicolas Christou, who is head of general surgery at McGill. He performs many of the gastric-bypass surgeries in Canada. Paul Ernsberger, an opponent of bariatric surgery and an associate professor of nutrition at Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine in Cleveland, echoes Flum's concern that the patients who didn't have the surgery in these studies may have been sicker than those who did. The studies have limitations but are important, says Samuel Klein of the Center for Human Nutrition at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. "They suggest that bariatric surgery improves long-term survival in extremely obese patients, but there is an increased risk upfront." Copyright (c) 2004 Gannett/USA TODAY Electronic News

 

My question is, WHAT IN THE he!! IS CAUSING PEOPLE TO DIE 15 YEARS LATER!? I don’t want to have surgery today and die at age 35 as a direct result of surgery! Someone PLEASE shed some light!

 

 

mystic
on 3/11/08 10:58 pm - manchester, NJ
well kinda same answer as to your other question on the board. we are all different, therefore we will all react differently. any surgery has risk, ppl die every day from surgery complications.  now i realize this may not make you feel better, but you have to look at the bigger picture.  i spent a lifetime trying and failing to lose weight.  now ive been thinner and healthier for 20 months.  im happy, i take one day at a time.  not every day is great, but you know what, it wasnt before the surgery either.   anyway thats my 5 cents on the subject. hugs, jacki
          
    

 
 

 

    
(deactivated member)
on 3/11/08 11:27 pm
Am I look at this wrong? It looks like there's really not much difference in the death rate of those who have had RNY and those who haven't. If anything, we're better off: About 3% of gastric-bypass patients younger than 40 had died in the 13.6 years after the surgery, compared with 13.8% of those who did not have the surgery. *Overall, 11.8% of gastric-bypass patients of all ages had died after 15 years, compared with 16.3% who hadn't been operated on. After adjusting for the different size of the groups, researchers say bariatric patients had an 89% reduced risk of death. When I was researching prior to my RNY, I ran across studies that showed the death rate was pretty high after RNY, but a lot of it was due to accidents because people came out of their houses and started sky diving, traveling, doing things they'd never done before. The numbers that came from actual health-related studies tend to show that obesity kills us a lot more frequently than RNY. I would NEVER suggest to another person that they need to have RNY or any WLS - it's a very personal decision and is, of course, risky. I'm battling some low sugar problems as a direct result of my weight loss, but the list of things that are gone includes: diabetes, sleep apnea, peeing all over myself when I sneeze or laugh, extreme joint pain from my shoulders to ankles, high cholesterol, high blood pressure ... this isn't even getting into the self esteem and emotional aspects.
(deactivated member)
on 3/12/08 2:46 am
How many of the fifty would have died without the surgery?  Where is the medical evidence the death was directly a result of the surgery and not a continuation of co-morbidities that led the patient to WLS in the first place? And fifteen years later dying?  Same thing.  It isn't a miracle cure.  Health problems are a direct result of morbid obesity (raising my hand high).  I may yet die form diabetic complications, but the years in between will be a hell of a lot more healthly.  I damaged my health in my MO years.  Losing wieght didn't erase what was already in place. Vicky
KimMM
on 3/12/08 4:32 am - APO, NY
I think that statistic--1 in 50--is waaaay high! Statistics can be manipulated so very easily. I just cannot believe it. It would be interesting to know how many people there are who have an account at this site---and how many deaths have been reported. That wouldn't reveal the whole picture--but my guess s that the figure is a lot closer to 1 in 500 than 1 in 50. What do you guys think?
hotwheel-queen
on 3/12/08 5:35 am
I agree with you all, I read almost all of this 5 years ago when i had RNY, my Dr. was more on the cautious side on how much int. she removed and how big my pouch size was, i think due to the fact i was younger, had 2 small kids and only has 110 lbs to lose all played a part. (i always wished she would have been more invasive, but 5 years later my only complant is i still have to watch everything i eat and am trying to lose 30 lbs) BUT i am healthy and it sure is easier walking, breathing, tying shoes at 190 vs 260.. I think regular lab work and yearly visits to the wls is the key also to living.. Just like anything, pay attention to your body, you for the most part know when something is not right and get checked. I feel i will live longer due to the RNY, my other choice would have been to struggle, maybe lose some weight re-gain and start the process all over again, which in time would have caused more damage to my organs. Like the news, I dont believe everything i hear, i asked alot of questions, did 6 months research and had friends that had RNY before me and yes almost died, but due to their own stupidity(they did not do as they were told) and had problems.. Good that your getting informed, but some of this isnt new news, just being talked about again on the news, papers, etc. Good luck
Sandra N.
on 3/12/08 8:58 am - MN
I agree with the others!  There are a lot of factors and details missing in these studies.  AND how do we know that these people were following and doing what they should after wls.....such as eating healthy, exercise, taking all the vits/cal/B12?   This is a serious decision and as mentioned a personal one.  Every surgery has it's risks.  I DECIDED to take that risk and AM sooooo glad I did! 

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Cindy O.
on 3/12/08 11:55 am - Bryan, TX
MzCaramelKitty, Not sure where you are finding this information.  I am a Bariatric Surgery Program Director and I personally have not read the article you have cited.  I've not seen such dramatic statistics, either.  There ARE risks involved with this surgery, and any other surgery as well.  Specifically to RNY, the current NIH (National Institute of Health) refers to 0.5% mortality rate (1st 30 days).  That is the equivalent of 1 in 200 cases.  The most significant risk is Pulmonary Embolism (blood clot to the lung), followed by staple line disruption resulting in a leak of intestinal fluid.  I strongly encourage you to schedule some time with your surgeon and your therapist to review this surgery and gather more information that will assist you in making an informed choice.  You seem to be extremely overwhelmed and unsure at this time. Good Luck.
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Dave Chambers
on 3/12/08 12:45 pm - Mira Loma, CA
These "studies" can use any factors they want to sqew the data to a specific conclusion. It all depends on factors involved, and what data is included or excluded. I can tell you that 99% of people who have eaten carrots in their life will die before they are 90 years of age--most people have eaten carrots and nomral life span is under 90. Just an example of how 2 factors, carrots and age of death, can lead someone to believe that carrots can cause death.  I think someone found a WLS hate site.

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Cindy O.
on 3/12/08 1:11 pm - Bryan, TX
Ditto Dave, was thinking the same, or....maybe a hidden agenda????
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