TPN

SisterGoldenHair
on 3/3/07 11:15 am - Greenwood Lake, NY

I see that so many people have been on TPN.  I am on it now. I will be beginning week 3.  Dr. put me on it because after hernia surgery/adhesion removal in August, and another severe adhesions in November..I have had constant nausea and just can't eat much.  A year ago I developed neuropathy in my right leg, nerve and muscle damage, and nerve damage in my arms, other leg and neck. I've been to three neurologists and noone can help.  BUT the last neurologist is the one who said that patients are starting to show up with neurological symptoms after WLS.  Wala, this must be me.  So..after losing alot of weight, my surgeon was concerned as I basically cannot work much, have incredible fatigue.  He admitted me on February 12 for a Hickman catheter in my chest and put me on TPN with a diagnosis of malnoutrition.  I am currently seeing a metabolic nutritionist..so we'll see.  I have not seen alot of improvement in the way I feel, except that I am SOSOOO bloated from this TPN.  YUCKO.  I feel like a stuck pig all the time, and am having problems with my blood sugars while I am on it.  I would like to know why others have been on TPN as well...I'm not sure how long I'll b e on it.

Kahiah1
on 3/3/07 1:43 pm - LivingHappy, AL
Hi Sister, The only real issue I can pinpoint is that my neurapathy in my feet has steadily increased! I was told when my diabetes improved that maybe the neurapathy would get better or even disappear. It didn't. Some night I just cry. I've been using Ultram, and tried neurontin, elavil and neither helped. I'm now trying Lyrica. So far I can't tell much difference. I'm only taking a small dose, so maybe when the doctor increases it I will get releif.  Sister, I am so sorry to hear about your problems. I have noticed there seems to be some long term effects of WLS that are showing up lately. I wish more people would put the issues together on one board, like the complications board. I see the posts all over the OH message boards, but hardly any on the complications board. I think most people don't want to bring anything bad to the open. I thank you for your honest post and wish all the best in the future, and I pray your health improves.
SisterGoldenHair
on 3/3/07 7:42 pm, edited 3/3/07 7:52 pm - Greenwood Lake, NY
Yes, I notice posts of complications showing up as well. I wish I heard of some of them prior to surgery..but then again..I ask myself if I would have just not had it done.  Of course I would have..I just would have said "Oh that won't happen to me".  My friend stated to me last night that she was amazed that some of the things that might have happen after surgery have all happened to me..LOL..Ulcer..had to have revision surgery...hernia..surgery..adhesions..the neuropathy..and now...malnourishment probably from a vitamin deficiency we are guessing.  And now, I am stuck on TPN.   The doctor had originally had me on it for 12 hours overnight, but my sugar was bottoming out and I was almost passing out when the infusion was ended.  So he adjusted the formula and kept me on it for 24, and it was so much better, no sugar high and lows.  This new nutritionist is trying it over a course of 20 hours so I can have 4 hours off, without having to have my backpack on. Problem is that my sugar gets low during this time, and I don't feel well enough to take advantage of the 4 hours without it on, so i stay home anyway.   Another friend of mine thinks that although doctors feel RNY is now the "Gold Standard" of WLS, it is still kinda new, and therefore had not known enough of the complications that can happen post op.  If your into research on the internet look up "APGARS bariatric" in the same line, and see the new syndrome that has been named..Post Gastric Reduction Surgery Syndrome which is what they are grouping the myriad of neurological complications that are popping up post op.    Here is a sample of what you will find..http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=15018746&dopt=Abstract  What I want to know is if the ones who develop the nerve damage, neuropathies..can get better, can the damage be reversed or am I forced to live this misery the rest of my life.  I know the burning in my foot can get bad and painful, but I can't deal with the damage to the other parts. The nerve damage in my neck causes my head to become numb, and drives me to the utter edge.  The numbness in my hands sometimes kicks in worse than normal, and I drop things.  I have almost an altered mental state at times and can't think straight and stutter over my words...very very frustrating.
Kahiah1
on 3/4/07 12:34 pm - LivingHappy, AL
I wanted to let you know about this study:  

Low Blood Glucose Levels May Complicate Gastric Bypass Surgery, Study Shows

 

BOSTON -- Physicians monitoring patients who have undergone gastric bypass surgery should be on the alert for a new, potentially dangerous hypoglycemia (low blood glucose) complication that, while rare, may require quick treatment, according to a new study by collaborating researchers at Joslin Diabetes Center, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center (BIDMC), and Brigham and Women's Hospital (BWH) and published in the October issue of the journal Diabetologia. The paper follows on the heels of a Mayo Clinic report on six similar case studies published in July in the New England Journal of Medicine. About 160,000 people undergo gastric bypass surgery every year.

 

 

The study details the history of three patients, who did not have diabetes, who suffered such severe hypoglycemia following meals that they became confused and sometimes blacked out, in two cases causing automobile collisions. The immediate cause of hypoglycemia was exceptionally high levels of insulin following meals. All three patients in the collaborative study failed to respond to medication, and ultimately required partial or complete removal of the pancreas, the major source of insulin, to prevent dangerous declines in blood glucose.

 

 

"Severe hypoglycemia is a complication of gastric bypass surgery, and should be considered if the patient has symptoms such as confusion, lightheadedness, rapid heart rate, shaking, sweating, excessive hunger, bad headaches in the morning or bad nightmares," says Mary-Elizabeth Patti, M.D., Investigator in Joslin's Research Section on Cellular and Molecular Physiology and Assistant Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School. "If these symptoms don't respond to simple changes in diet, such as restricting intake of simple carbohydrates, patients should be evaluated hormonally, quickly," she adds. Dr. Patti and Allison B. Goldfine, M.D., also an Investigator at Joslin and Assistant Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School , were co-investigators of the study.

 

 

The study reported on three patients -- a woman in her 20s, another in her 60s and a man in his 40s. All three lost significant amounts of weight through gastric bypass surgery, putting them in the normal Body Mass Index (BMI) range. Each, however, developed postprandial hypoglycemia (low blood glucose after meals) that failed to respond to dietary or medical intervention. As a result, all patients required removal of part or all of the pancreas. In all three cases, it was found that the insulin-producing islet cells in their pancreases had proliferated abnormally.

 

 

A potential cause of this severe hypoglycemia in these patients is "dumping syndrome," a constellation of symptoms including palpitations, lightheadedness, abdominal cramping and diarrhea, explains Dr. Patti. Dumping syndrome occurs when the small intestine fills too quickly with undigested food from the stomach, as can happen following gastric bypass surgery. But the failure to respond to dietary and medical therapy, and the conditions worsening over time suggested that additional pathology was needed to explain the symptoms' severity, Dr. Patti adds. "The magnitude of the problem was way beyond what doctors typically call dumping syndrome," she says.

 

 

Other causes of postprandial hypoglycemia can include overactive islet cells, sometimes caused by excess numbers of cells, a tumor in the pancreas that produces too much insulin, or familial hyperinsulinism (hereditary production of too much insulin), which in severe cases can necessitate removal of the pancreas.

 

 

In patients following bariatric surgery, additional mechanisms may contribute to overproduction of insulin. "First, insulin sensitivity (responsiveness to insulin) improves after weight loss of any kind, and can be quite significant after successful gastric surgery," says Dr. Patti. "Second, weight gain and obesity are associated with increased numbers of insulin producing cells in the pancreas, and so some patients may not reverse this process normally, leaving them with inappropriately high numbers of beta cells."

 

 

Finally, after gastric bypass surgery, GLP1 (glucagon-like peptide 1) and other hormones are secreted in abnormal patterns in response to food intake, since the intestinal tract has been altered. High levels of GLP1 may stimulate insulin secretion further and cause increased numbers of insulin-producing cells. "In our patients, the fact that the post-operative onset of hyperinsulinemia was not immediate suggests that active expansion of the beta cell mass contributed to the condition," Dr. Patti adds.

 

 

Other researchers participating in the study included S. Bonner-Weir, Ph.D., of Joslin; E.C. Mun, M.D., J.J. Holst, M.D., J. Goldsmith, M.D., D.W. Hanto, M.D., Ph.D., M. Callery, M.D., of Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. Collaborating investigators from the Brigham and Women's Hospital included R. Arky, M.D., who also is a Joslin Overseer, G.T. McMahon, M.D., M.M.Sc., A. Bitton, M.D., and V. Nose, M.D. All participants are on faculty at the Harvard Medical School . Funding for the study was provided by the National Institutes of Health, the Julie Henry Fund of BIDMC and the General Clinical Research Centers .

 

 

Besides helping afflicted gastric bypass patients, the research has hopeful implications for treating people with diabetes, says Dr. Patti. The gastric bypass patients have what many of those with diabetes lack -- ample insulin -- and perhaps an understanding of this phenomenon could be harnessed to help those with diabetes. "If we can understand what processes are responsible for too much insulin production and too many islet cells in these patients, we may be able to apply this information to stimulate insulin production in patients with diabetes, who lack sufficient insulin," Dr. Patti says.

 

 

Posted: October 13, 2005

TERI R
on 3/5/07 2:46 am - Brooklyn Park, MN
I was also on TPN...I had a leak - complete staple line breakdown and had a surgery to repair it the day after RNY surgery.  I was not allowed ANYTHING per mouth (not even water) for the next month...thus the need for the TPN. I also had type 2 diabetes and took oral meds for it.  After surgery I could no longer take the oral meds (remember - nothing per mouth) and therfore we added units of insulin directly into the bag of TPN...I still had to test my sugar levels and give myself insulin shots.    I am happy to say that after month, my pouch healed up and I am doing great...And NO MORE DIABETES!!!   That is the result I was going for when I initially decided to have WLS.   Sorry, can't answer any of your neuropathy questions. Best of luck to you.
KRWaters
on 3/8/07 12:20 am - Manteca, CA
You had your surgery a week before me. I developed worsening neuropathy a year after surgery too. I was on Neurontin, but switched to Lyrica. Still having some pain in my legs and feet, but not as much the last few weeks. I take my vitamin B1 and vitamiin B12. Sorry I don't know anything about TPN. I wish you well. Karen
SisterGoldenHair
on 3/10/07 1:21 am - Greenwood Lake, NY
Did you develop the neuropathy post op? I also take my vitamins, but I think there is some kind of absorption factor going on with me as well.  I was protein deficient despite taking in excess of 100 grams of protein daily.  I'd like to know about your neuropathy. have you seen any neurologists about it?
KRWaters
on 3/10/07 9:51 am - Manteca, CA
Hi there, I was diagnosed with diabetic peripheral neuropathy in 2003 after being in the doctor's office for only 10 minutes. My previous doc didn't believe me when I would complain about the terrible pain in my legs and feet so I switched doctors.  I was put on Neurontin promptly and just two months ago switched to Lyrica after being on both for a couple of months. So now I am on Lyrica only. I saw a neurologist in November who did an EMG and definitely diagnosed it as peripheral neuropathy. I still get pain, but I like to think that the pain would be a lot worse if I wasn't on the Lyrica. Karen
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