McDonalds Bacon Egg and Cheese Bagel UPDATE
It was a bit harsh but so is posting things like this that justify eating bad foods. We are here to help each other not justify why its OK to eat at McDonald's. This post isn't helping those of us that are struggling to change our way of thinking about food. Making it "OK" to eat this greasy mess just because you had a rough night at work is not helping. In a way she could be right. Unless the OP gets some counseling to deal with how she feels about food and why its OK to eat this type of stuff she very well may never reach goal. After all, those that gain their weight back after a few years have this same type of thinking. I am in counseling myself to deal with these things. After reading how its perfectly OK to have a butter filled bagel, I had to really evaluate what I wanted for breakfast this morning and frankly I didn't appreciate being tempted with such bad food choices first thing in the morning. I'm going to go get on the treadmill right now and get back to thinking clearly not corrupted with McDonald's.
The point here is.........CONTROL!!!! And to her if she ate half the bagel and she got it out her system..and it works for HER..Then sooooo be it!!Just like some people have carbs and some people don't count them....Who are we to say to her what's gonna work for her...smh..That's my point...not everybody has an obession with food.some people are satisfied with a tablespoon of mac and cheese and be done with it...If she can deal with it and so can other people it dosent make her right and you wrng or vise versa it just makes her Journey diffrent than everyone elses
Traci
So what I see happening here is that you got angry at the abrupt negative and aggressive nature of the previous poster and then immediately took the side of the original poster. Your basically saying that its OK to eat fast food (which everyone and their brother knows is bad for them) because you got angry. You say your family members eat this food all the time and are fine. OK. Does that mean its good to do or that someone in the loosing stage and not in maintenance should be doing this? Does it mean that if you want to get high its ok to shoot heroin in your veins once a week, once a month? Is it ok if you go rob a bank because you want a brand new Camaro (like mine 
) No .. just like its not ok for people who are trying to loose weight to be eating this stuff. Ask your surgeon or NUT if this food item is on their list of foods to be eating? I bet 99% of them will say no it isnt.
Let's think logically about this for a moment. You are telling the original poster (OP) that is OK to eat a McDonald's Bacon Egg and Cheese Bagel. Does that sound like good and helpful advice to you on someone who is only 3 months out and is still trying to loose weight and get their thinking about food changed to make better decisions? Does ANY of the other VETS that posted previously on this topic make NO sense to you at all? Who's advice sounds better do you think? Yours telling her to go eat whatever she wants or the VETS saying your playing with fire?
You say its OK for her to eat that junk food because it might work for her? Why is that? Why does it work for her and it didn't work for all the VETS who are at goal who never put that junk in their mouth while they were trying to loose weight? Is the OP immune to all the bad things that are in the fast food? How did the people at goal get there by never eating this item and she cant get there without it? The only reason she says "it works for me" is because she is telling herself that. NOT eating it would work too. There is no biological reason why she cant get to goal without it. Its just an excuse and its an example of exactly why she does have a problem with food and needs counseling to change her way of thinking.
Do people slip up? Yup. Do I slip up? of course. Do I justify it on here and try to negatively influence all the newbies that just got surgery that its OK to eat this stuff? NO! When people do slip up on here, they admit it, tell themselves it was a bad choice, learn from it and move on. You are encouraging the OP's behavior that its OK to eat things like this when you feel like you want it and that isn't helpful advice.
That way of thinking is what got me to a size 58 pants and 390 lbs. NOT thinking that way is what got Jimbovsg to loose 350 lbs.
Think about it.
) No .. just like its not ok for people who are trying to loose weight to be eating this stuff. Ask your surgeon or NUT if this food item is on their list of foods to be eating? I bet 99% of them will say no it isnt.Let's think logically about this for a moment. You are telling the original poster (OP) that is OK to eat a McDonald's Bacon Egg and Cheese Bagel. Does that sound like good and helpful advice to you on someone who is only 3 months out and is still trying to loose weight and get their thinking about food changed to make better decisions? Does ANY of the other VETS that posted previously on this topic make NO sense to you at all? Who's advice sounds better do you think? Yours telling her to go eat whatever she wants or the VETS saying your playing with fire?
You say its OK for her to eat that junk food because it might work for her? Why is that? Why does it work for her and it didn't work for all the VETS who are at goal who never put that junk in their mouth while they were trying to loose weight? Is the OP immune to all the bad things that are in the fast food? How did the people at goal get there by never eating this item and she cant get there without it? The only reason she says "it works for me" is because she is telling herself that. NOT eating it would work too. There is no biological reason why she cant get to goal without it. Its just an excuse and its an example of exactly why she does have a problem with food and needs counseling to change her way of thinking.
Do people slip up? Yup. Do I slip up? of course. Do I justify it on here and try to negatively influence all the newbies that just got surgery that its OK to eat this stuff? NO! When people do slip up on here, they admit it, tell themselves it was a bad choice, learn from it and move on. You are encouraging the OP's behavior that its OK to eat things like this when you feel like you want it and that isn't helpful advice.
That way of thinking is what got me to a size 58 pants and 390 lbs. NOT thinking that way is what got Jimbovsg to loose 350 lbs.
Think about it.
First I never said its ok to go out and eat Mc donalds...Second if you reread her post you will see her saying she's back to eatin greek yougurt and her boneless chicken etc......she had her half bagel its out of her system and that was that.What I don't understand is why its soo hard for people to understand that some people can do that.IF she can and I said IF and not everyone can why is she wrong? When I went to my nut for 6 months I was taught about all the diff food groups and how to lose weight eating them all.Everything in moderation.Believe it or not some surgeons and nut do believe that.Now not saying everyone can do that but saying maybe she feels she can.Who am I to say.Like I said I wouldn't of ate the bagel but that's my opinion. This is my point.
Traci
Traci,
I think Khess' and my concern is not that she did it once. But that she was justifying it instead of examining it. Also the post indicated that she was planning to do it again as well as using it to provide an emotional satisfaction.
All of that together is a red flag on the play that idicates a couple of things:
1. The poster has some unresolved issue thats leading to compulsive eating
2. The poster is not holding herself accountable
No one is sying that moderation is faulty or bad. The simple truth most weight is lost in the first six months. More is lost in the fremainder of the first year. If you don't develop the tools you need for long term success in that period, it doesn't look good.
Chief among those tools is changing your relationship with food. Then proper diet and exercise habits. Without the first one, the second is much less likely to be successful. The sleeve helps, but it also cant do all of the work. IF you fill your sleeve with junk, and tell yourself its OK or it'll all be OK in the end, you're going to find out its not OK in the end. Theres no malabsorptive backstop here.
The OP posted earlier about her craving for the bagel. She was given all of the same advice. She was given recipe's for healthier alternatives that had egg, bacon, and cheese, and that would fit into a bariatric diet. She apparently decided to take none of that advice. I can understand why the poster who pissed you off said what she did. Its the same reason I mentioned that the OP seems proud and defiant.
So yes, that is her choice. But she needs to hear what that choice is possibly costing her in terms of the long run and how she might correct it now while its easier. Its not about vets versus newbs or whether the exception proves the rule. Its about evryone offering their own perspective to try and help.
I hope this time she listens.
I think Khess' and my concern is not that she did it once. But that she was justifying it instead of examining it. Also the post indicated that she was planning to do it again as well as using it to provide an emotional satisfaction.
All of that together is a red flag on the play that idicates a couple of things:
1. The poster has some unresolved issue thats leading to compulsive eating
2. The poster is not holding herself accountable
No one is sying that moderation is faulty or bad. The simple truth most weight is lost in the first six months. More is lost in the fremainder of the first year. If you don't develop the tools you need for long term success in that period, it doesn't look good.
Chief among those tools is changing your relationship with food. Then proper diet and exercise habits. Without the first one, the second is much less likely to be successful. The sleeve helps, but it also cant do all of the work. IF you fill your sleeve with junk, and tell yourself its OK or it'll all be OK in the end, you're going to find out its not OK in the end. Theres no malabsorptive backstop here.
The OP posted earlier about her craving for the bagel. She was given all of the same advice. She was given recipe's for healthier alternatives that had egg, bacon, and cheese, and that would fit into a bariatric diet. She apparently decided to take none of that advice. I can understand why the poster who pissed you off said what she did. Its the same reason I mentioned that the OP seems proud and defiant.
So yes, that is her choice. But she needs to hear what that choice is possibly costing her in terms of the long run and how she might correct it now while its easier. Its not about vets versus newbs or whether the exception proves the rule. Its about evryone offering their own perspective to try and help.
I hope this time she listens.
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160 lbs lost. Surgeons Goal Reached in 33 weeks. My Goal in 37 Weeks.
VSG: 11/2/2011; LBL+Thigh Lift+BL: 10/3/2012; Brach+Mastopexy: 7/22/2013
I understand your point maybe I let my temper get thebest of me and I apologize...I agree a lot of what your saying..but I wasn't validating for her to go to Mc donalds.I wasn't.I just feel like some people on here just have to learn from mistakes.Obviously if she dosent continue to lose weight then she will see her faults and try and change what's not workin..we all make mistakes but like I said people shouldn't be scared to say things on here in fear of being bashed or "how many hits they might get"
Traci
Thank you Trish. I do appreciate that.
I don't claim to know it all or think I'm baby Jesus (as one of the naysayers have mentioned about me this morning) but I do try to help people. After being a paramedic for over 18 years, that's just the kind of person I am. Granted, I can be ****y and confident sometimes and I may come off as sounding like I'm preaching .. but that is what I have gotten paid to do for the last 18+ years .. help people and try to get them to improve their situation. People sit in the back of my medic unit at 3:45 am and tell me their darkest secrets and look to me for help till we get to the E.R. Sometimes, what I have to say is enough to make them feel better and they don't end up going. They just needed someone to talk to I guess. I see people at their very worst all the time. No one calls 911 because they are having a good day after all.
Being confident has been one of my ways of overcoming the stress (along with overeating) in dealing with watching people die that I'm trying so hard to save. On a day to day basis I deal with people who are destroying themselves with bad behaviors like drugs, alcohol, mental illness, etc. This post set off an alarm from the minute I started to read it that it was a bad behavior and I just felt the need to try and help them see that they were playing with fire.
Thank you for understanding what most everyone on this thread was trying to say and understanding. Some people just don't seem to get it.
I don't claim to know it all or think I'm baby Jesus (as one of the naysayers have mentioned about me this morning) but I do try to help people. After being a paramedic for over 18 years, that's just the kind of person I am. Granted, I can be ****y and confident sometimes and I may come off as sounding like I'm preaching .. but that is what I have gotten paid to do for the last 18+ years .. help people and try to get them to improve their situation. People sit in the back of my medic unit at 3:45 am and tell me their darkest secrets and look to me for help till we get to the E.R. Sometimes, what I have to say is enough to make them feel better and they don't end up going. They just needed someone to talk to I guess. I see people at their very worst all the time. No one calls 911 because they are having a good day after all.
Being confident has been one of my ways of overcoming the stress (along with overeating) in dealing with watching people die that I'm trying so hard to save. On a day to day basis I deal with people who are destroying themselves with bad behaviors like drugs, alcohol, mental illness, etc. This post set off an alarm from the minute I started to read it that it was a bad behavior and I just felt the need to try and help them see that they were playing with fire.
Thank you for understanding what most everyone on this thread was trying to say and understanding. Some people just don't seem to get it.
Tracie I agree with you, I didn't know this was a forum full of people who are so mean. There is giving your opinion and then there is being mean and some of those people were down right mean! First of all I want to say, if reading about a McDonald's bagel is going to tempt you, that is what subject lines are for don't read about it, second everyone's struggles and journey is different and we should feel safe posting about our struggles on this forum and now I know I don't. You people can post you opinions with out being jerk offs whether or not you agree with the poster! I didn't join this forum to be bullied! I personally have not eaten fast food in 7months and it is not even one of my triggers I just think it is disgusting, I don't have a problem with sweets, or fast food but I do have a problem with bread, salad dressing, chips and crackers, lasagna, spaghetti pasta in general! I would not even think of eating any of that right now but having a French fry or a bite of cake or jolly rancher is not going to make me loose control. Everyone's relationship with food is a very personal thing and people telling them they are wrong to feel that way is the same to me as people telling you the way you feel about GOD is wrong! PeoPle need to think. Before they respond and realize how they come across. We are not here to be mean or rude to each other we are here to offer our words of wisdom, don't get all bent out of shape because you don't have the self control that another might have. I'm not going to apologize for my earlier post because I was not offensive I offered my opinion based on advice given to me by my NUT. Hers is the only opinion that really truly matters to me especially when it comes to dealing with rude people!
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