I pulled these from an Insurance Industry Magazine that I am privy to. It gives you an idea of what the insurers are looking at, there are two articles. Good luck Gary Viscio www.obesitylawyers.com Trimming The Costs Of Obesity By Ronald S. Leopold Benefits advisors should be offering employers ideas about ways to fight employee obesity. According to the National Institutes of Health, one-third of all Americans are considered obese, with a body mass index over 30, and two-thirds are considered overweight, with BMIs over 25. The National Business Group on Health, Washington, estimates that obesity costs U.S. employers $13 billion a year. Obesity has links to everything from an increased risk of developing diabetes, heart disease and kidney cancer to an increased risk of complications during surgery. The expansion of the American waistline is having an obvious effect on the short-term disability and long-term disability claims that MetLife receives. At MetLife, the proportion of STD and LTD claims involving weight control surgery and other conditions and procedures directly related to obesity doubled between 2001 and 2003. Employers with high proportions of middle-aged female workers were most affected by the increase in obesity-related claims. MetLife data indicates that females accounted for 85% of STD obesity claims processed over the past 3 years and that 48% of those claims were from women between the ages of 35 and 54. Most of these claims were connected with gastric stapling operations, gastric bypass operations and related "bariatric surgical" procedures. The average absence for a worker who filed a direct obesity-related STD claim was 45 days. When employers look at all employees and all insurance claims, they will see that the 10% of employees who file STD claims during a given year account for about 50% of the employers' health care costs. The current gender discrepancy in obesity-related STD claims may be due partly to the fact that women tend to have BMIs, but it also may be due to the fact that women are more likely to seek medical attention and to seek bariatric surgical procedures. Young men who aren't filing bariatric surgery claims today might be filing diabetes-related claims a few years from now. Of course, employees have to take responsibility for their own weight, but employers can help. The first step is for employers to assess the impact of obesity on their own employees. Obesity rates vary considerably with factors such as geographic location, industry type and employee income levels. Employers also should benchmark their STD claims patterns against industry averages to determine what types of disabilities are most affecting their workers and what types of solutions can have the greatest returns on investment. Here are some specific options that brokers and agents might consider sharing with clients: --Ask the people who run company cafeterias and vending machine operations to offer healthier foods. --Host healthy eating programs, weight reduction programs and wellness programs at work. --Sponsor or subsidize employee health club memberships. --Work with group health vendors to help obese employees. --Offer financial incentives and other incentives for employees who lose weight. Ronald S. Leopold, M.D., M.B.A., M.P.H., is vice president and national medical director for MetLife Disability, a unit of MetLife, New York. He can be reached at [email protected]. Bariatric Surgery: Separating Fat From Fiction By Kathleen Thiesen At a time when government figures show 27% of Americans are obese, it's no surprise that the public's and the insurance industry's awareness of "bariatric surgery," or gastric bypass surgery, has grown. The treatment is potentially effective, sometimes dangerous and definitely expensive. For brokers and agents helping companies find the right match of health care against a picture of rising health care costs, here is a quick primer on the insurance issues surrounding this treatment. For the industry, the most urgent need is to look for cost-effective answers with good outcomes, because obesity has far-reaching implications. Questions about the cost and popularity of bariatric surgery for morbid obesity gained steam in mid-2004 following an announcement by Medicare officials that the program will consider covering obesity itself as a disease, rather than covering only so-called "co-morbidities." Major "co-morbidities" include hypertension, heart disease, type-2 diabetes, sleep apnea, stroke and a range of cancers. The bariatric surgery issue has many facets: ? Results of clinical trials measuring the short-term and long-term outcomes of bariatric surgeries vary depending on the type of surgery completed, the experience of the surgeon and hospital or other facility, how "sick" the candidates are before surgery, the impact and compliance of post-surgical behaviors, and the general risk of surgery for morbidly obese patients. Good results with one study have not always carried over to the next. ? Mortality rates for these procedures are between 1% to 3%. According to a study published in the Journal of the American College of Surgeons, the risk of death within 30 days after gastric bypass surgery was nearly 5 times greater if the surgeon had performed fewer than 20 procedures. In addition, about 20% of all bariatric surgery patients require follow-up procedures to treat complications. Despite the risks, experts support the results of evidence-based studies, reaffirm the need for informed consent and acknowledge that the risks for these individuals may be worth it in the long run. ? Even though Medicare decisions on coverage usually have helped lead the industry toward universal reimbursement, many third-party payers are hesitating due to the extreme costs associated with complications for this high-risk population. Some 140,000 bariatric procedures will be performed in 2004, according to an article that appeared in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Multiply that number by an average cost of $25,000 (with no complications), and these 140,000 procedures will cost a jaw-dropping $3.5 billion. ? While self-insured employers may choose to cover the procedures, fully insured employers cannot choose, thereby creating an adverse selection by obese employees to secure reimbursement for the surgery. While the treatment likely will decrease long-term direct health care costs, the cost burden can be amortized over 3.5 years, according to a recent study in the journal, Obesity Surgery. Unfortunately, many employees change jobs before companies can realize these health and financial gains. ? All surgeries are not created equal. The Roux-en-Y gastric bypass, which costs about $25,000, has come to be known as the "gold standard" for its longevity with appropriate candidates. Because cost is a factor, new procedures are entering the arena, including laparoscopic methods that reduce hospital length of stay, physician time and the recovery period. The "mini gastric bypass," costing just $17,000, produces results with major weight loss, and requires less operating and recovery time. Unfortunately, there is not yet enough evidence to ensure this procedure's safety or to confirm favorable outcomes. So, what does the future hold? The American Society of Bariatric Surgeons has begun a process for identifying and credentialing "Centers of Excellence" for bariatric surgery. Its goal is to establish guidelines for a procedure never before regulated; investigate, evaluate and examine candidates for certification to provide these services; participate in education and research in the field; and provide data management for outcomes. This effort offers a great deal of promise. Additionally, more research is needed and will continue now that information about long-term outcomes is more accessible. In the interim, health insurers are looking at their options: Eliminate coverage, increase out-of-pocket costs or offer selective reimbursement only for procedures consistent with good outcomes. It is clear that health care providers need to do the research and develop comprehensive programs of care for obesity patients before they are in the operating room. The successful programs are out there, as are the experienced physicians. Rarely before has the phrase "buyer beware" had as much financial impact as it does here. Kathleen Thiesen, R.N., is market research analyst for the group life, accident & health reinsurance operation at ING Re, Minneapolis. She can be reached at 1. [email protected]. Reproduced from National Underwriter Edition, January 6, 2005. Copyright © 2005 by The National Underwriter Company in the serial publication. All rights reserved.Copyright in this article as an independent work may be held by the author.

Hi Marcia and Ladies, I had the same worry, right before I had my surgery. It seems that there is so much more written on the RNY. In retrospect, I am so glad I had this surgery. I love that my anatomy is intact. I feel good about things, and am losing at a nice pace. I can't eat too much yet, but look forward to when I can fit a bit more in. I never wanted to drop it all at once, I just wanted to get rid of sleep apnea, insulin resistance, and that fat tired feeling. So, I'm happy to go bit by bit. I think the big key with this, is what you fit in the space. If you are doing lean cuisines, it sounds like you are not abusing it. I have noticed that this message board is not as active, and I'd love to hear from folks. I'd love to know what people do for meals, and get some suggestions. I am pretty much at eggs, cheese, and some soup right now. I am almost 2 months out. I had the VBG with sleeve where they also removed some of my stomach. Take care and don't worry! I think we made the right decision! Theresa 11/18/04 240/199/???

Hi Marcia, I had surgery 9/17/04. I was actually scheduled to have the RNY, but because my small intestine is too short the bypass could not be done safely. I am so glad I had the VBG instead. I rarely get nauseas and I don't have to worry about taking B-12 This is the best thing that has ever happened to me. I have lost 63 so far and I want to lose at least another 100. I have finally realized it's in my hands to make it happen. I too can eat more than 2 oz. I can eat almost a whole Lean Cuisine meal. Some days I eat more than others. Some days I make better choices than others and some days I work out harder than others, but you know what....I am doing it. I am eating better than I ever have before and I actually go to the gym and as a result I am losing weight! Try not to borrow trouble. Just do your best and use your tool as best you can and you will see the results. So far so good right Hugs, Sara 356/293/175

There are hardly any comments on this message board compared to the MAIN board, and almost everyone there lists their surgery as RNY. It makes me concerned I may have made the wrong choice. Will I be able to lose as much weight as I need too? (approx 100# now). Will I eat too much (it seems easy to eat more than 1/2 cup!!). Although I eat MUCH less than I did prior to VBG, I may be eating too much sometimes. I can eat 1/2 to 2/3 of a TV dinner. Hmmm. 267/234/future goal: 135#

I'd like to hear from the people who had the VBG, but with Sleeve Gastrectomy. That is where you have part of your stomach actually removed, and a band is placed around the portion that is left, making a small pouch 15cc-30cc. I'm doing this so I can loose 150lbs, and have the DS after when I am at a safer weight. My BMI is 70..so my Dr feels it would be safer for me to have the surgery in 2 parts. I'm scared of failing and not getting to where I can have the second part which is where the malabsorption will come in to keep the weight off. Anyone else done this? Thanks for your input! Hugs, Elise