confusing email received from unjury...is this true

I know this has been lightly touched on before, but I need your opinions. I received this email from unjury today. Is this true???? Or is it just a sales tactic??? It is saying that the new whey (liguid in the test tube) is not as good as the other. PLEASE let me know. I love the little test tubes. They taste okay  and pack alot of protein for their size. Thanks Penny Here is the email I received....(I know its very long...sorry) Important New Protein Quality Guidelines from Surgeons If you have been reading our updates, you know we have regularly advised that: - whey protein ISOLATE is better than whey protein concentrate - collagen-based products such as the test tube products get very low    protein quality scores.  Profect and New-Whey are calculated    to have a PDCAAS of 5 or 6 out of a possible 100 (1). Historically, we have perhaps been the only ones saying this. Now the bariatric surgeons, dietitians, and nurses have just issued Protein Quality Guidelines, and everything they recommend is consistent with what we have said. While many many products do not meet the guidelines, you should know that for every single new guideline, UNJURY matches it 100%, fully, completely, exactly, and it always has.  While the full set of guidelines should become available on the web soon, here are some of the key messages from the guidelines (2). 1.  It’s not enough to know how much protein you are getting (how many grams).       You also have to look at the amino acid profile to know about the       QUALITY of the protein. (Some proteins have almost zero value.) 2.  The PDCAAS scoring is the superior way to rate protein quality       (it looks at the levels of each indispensable amino acid). 3.   Doctors, nurses and dietitians are advised to use Caution       when recommending any type of collagen-based protein       supplement (for example, the “test tube” products).       So you too should use Caution when using products with       hydrolyzed collagen. 4.   Whey protein ISOLATE is better than whey protein concentrate.        (Concentrate has more lactose, and gives you less protein.) 5.   Recommended daily grams of (high quality) protein:        70 grams per day during weight loss and low calorie diets. The society issuing the guidelines is the American Society for Metabolic and Bariatric Surgery (ASMBS), and almost certainly your surgeon, dietitian and nurse are members.  The guidelines were announced Monday June 16, 2008 at the ASMBS annual meeting. You can be sure that most of the products, those which don’t fully meet the guidelines, will try to make it sound like they do, or will try to  say that the guidelines are not important. But here are 2 easy rules to remember: 1:    “Caution on Collagen”        (e.g. about 94% of the protein in the test tubes is collagen) 2:   Whey Protein ISOLATE is better than Whey Protein Concentrate Here are three key messages from the guidelines: A.  “The PDCAAS score indicates the overall quality of a protein.” B.  “The PDCAAS score indicates the body’s ability to use that product for protein synthesis.”  (Protein synthesis is necessary for making every cell in your body.) C.  You can lose lean body mass (for example muscle and organs including the heart) even if you get the right number of grams of protein, if the protein doesn’t have each and every Indispensable Amino Acid IN THE RIGHT AMOUNT. In other words, even if you used 3 of the “test tubes” every day, you can still lose muscle and organ tissue because the test tubes have a deficiency in indispensable amino acids.  (1) We hope this is helpful.  If you have any questions, please do ask us.  This is too important to your health. Healthy regards Martha and Jerome UNJURY (R) Protein    ~ Medical Quality Protein (TM) 1 800 517 5111 www.UNJURY.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. We calculated the PDCAAS (amino acid scores) of Profect and New-Whey based on assays of samples we sent to Covance, Inc, a leading independent laboratory, in 2007.  To our knowledge, they have never disagreed with our calculation of their PDCAAS scores. 2.  Preprint.  L. Aills et al.  Bariatric Nutrition:  Suggestions for the Surgical Weight Loss Patient. Surgery for Obesity and Related Diseases  July/August Volume 4, Number 4S, 2008 (Official Journal of the Society for Metabolic and Bariatric Surgery) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, simply send an email to: [email protected] Please include the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.

Unjury has always issued notices like this and have always proclaimed their protein to be the best.... whey concentrate was considered the best now it is whey isolate. When I called Profect a year or so ago they assured me that if we took the bullets with food we would then be allowing it to mix with amino acids and it works fine. My labs are very high with protein so I know it is working...... I have been taking the bullets for over 2 years and my labs are all good for protein - so I don't know what to advise you - there is a lot of contraversy over the different proteins and have been for years...... Unless your nutrionist or your labs say otherwise I would keep on doing what you have been doing........... Jackie

What do you mean "with food"?  You do your bullet when eating?  I consider the bullet a liquid and never eat and drink at the same time.  Am I not getting the protein benefits from keeping the two separate?  thanks!

I always take my protein about 20 mins before I eat so they will still mix. As it is only 3 ounces it is not a lot of liquid..... I never drink and eat at the same time. Nowadays, I drink right up until I eat - then do not drink afterwards for about an hour. I don't know how to answer for you - I am only saying what I do since I talked to Profect. My labs show it is working. You would have to decide based on your labs what works best for you. I only know I can't drink the other proteins becaue they taste awful to me and I tend to think nowadays that the best form of protein is the one you will take!!! Jackie

I can't wait for my next appt so I can get some concrete data to go by!  I'll ask them about this.  Because if I was not doing it right, it would be easily fixed by me doing half my bullet BEFORE lunch (instead of after like I do now) and BEFORE dinner (instead of late afternoon by itself).  Hmmmm...  I'll be interested to know more about this from my doctor.  Thanks Jackie!

It is worth getting their opinion. My doctor didn't know and neither did my nutritionist so I called Profect direct and then changes my protein to just before my meals but 30 mins afterwards may be fine also as most of your meal would still be there...... Jackie

This is so interesting. I'm going to try drinking my protein about 20 minutes before meals. I have my labs next month, so it will be interesting to see what I find out. Thanks

I was solely using the bullets as my protein supplement this time last year (and had been for about 5 months) and did my labs. My  protein "transfers" were low and I was told it was because I was using the bullets. It was suggested that I mix it up some and use other types of supplements (note: I was told I could still use them if I needed too). So I guess it depends on you, your labs and your body. I quit using them once I ran out and went to something else (just happened to be unjury cause I tolerate that taste best), and the next labs were great. Im now using something else (Muscle Milk), so we'll see how my labs are this time around.