Does anyone else's insurance lie???!!!!

BellBuckleGal
on 3/26/09 1:24 am - Bell Buckle, TN
Okay so I've been fighting with Cigna for a month now.  At first they said they didn't have 5 years worth of weights, but yet they had weight from 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, that's 5 years!!!!  So I had Vanderbilt resubmit the years and Cynthia, the nicest insurance woman I've ever met, spelled out my weights for Cigna and now Cigna is saying that my BMI hasn't been of at least 35 for some part of that time.  Okay, I've looked at the BMI chart and for my height that means I would have to had been below 230 pounds.  I was 228 in middle school and only kept gaining from there.  I have NOT been close to 230 pounds in about 9 years.  So now, I'm denied AGAIN...this is really starting to make me mad.  My husband says not to worry and that Cigna can't keep lying about things forever, but still why can't they just approve my surgery.  I guess they would rather keep paying for my HUGE monthly medical bills.  Has anyone ever had their surgeon do a "peer to peer" in order to get their surgery approved?  I have no clue what a peer to peer is but Cynthia says that with my situation it should be approved with the peer to peer.  Everyone keep their fingers crossed and say a little prayer that I'll be approved.
jharrington8172
on 3/26/09 5:09 am - Hermitage, TN
I am sorry you are having this issue with the insurance company, they really can be a pain in the @ss sometimes.    I personally did not have a peer to peer but I believe (someone correct me if I am wrong) it is a call with your surgeon and the insurance company and then from that call they make the determination.    I have seen many people on the boards that have had to have these in order to get approval from insurance.   Hopefully one of them will post and let you know exactly what the process is and what the outcome was from their peer to peer. 
 

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melsreturn
on 3/26/09 7:01 am - Madison, TN

The weight that is recorded for you five years ago...  look that up on the BMI scale.  Is it in meeting with their requirement?  If so, then make a copy of that five year record, include the BMI scale, and prove to them that you did meet that portion of their criteria. That is what I would do.  You just have to reprove every denial reason as it occurs.  

and, let me just say, the name of Managed Care is MANAGED DOLLARS.  the longer they can deny you, the more money they make on interest with the money that has been set aside to pay claims.  That is the name of the game:  profit.  Not health.  good luck to you...  and make sure that once you have refuted everything and they give you other reasons, that you do not miss your appeals window.Often times it is work that the patient must do in order to overturn denials, rejections etc.  Not always does it lie with doc's offices, so don't wait!  Be proactive.



 

BellBuckleGal
on 3/26/09 7:47 am - Bell Buckle, TN
thank you both for your information.  I know that insurance companies will make you jump through as many hoops as possible, it just get frustrating.  I just hope they approve it, otherwise I'll be a thorn in their side that won't go away until it gets approved.
Former Elizabeth
on 3/26/09 8:14 am
I had Cigna too.   They weren't very cooperative, I have to admit.  I had to have a lawyer (Walter from Obesity Lawyers) write the seond appeal letter for me.  And I have to tell you, it was a thing of BEAUTY.

My surgeon had a peer to peer review for the second part of my DS surgery.   Which should have been a slam-dunk.   They didn't pay for the sleeve gastrectomy, and I'd had the sleeve done as the first part of the DS.   So having approved the DS and paid for the sleeve, they pretty much had to approve the second half, and they didn't!    So during the peer to peer, their doctor just got rude and angry with my surgeon, and questioned his medical judgment!!!!    I've been a nurse for a lonnnnnng time, and that's the first I've actually seen something like that!!

Peer to peer just means that your doctor talks to one of their doctors.   My PCP had a peer to peer when I was going on disability, and that worked out well without my having to do another appeal or hire a lawyer or anything.

I'll definitely be pulling for you.   I think it's ridiculous how the insurance companies drag their feet in approving and paying for WLS.   Yeah, it's "elective."   But it's life-saving and MONEY-saving, too!   I know my insurance company has saved a ton just since I've had the DS a month and a half ago.

Dennie

 "It's so beautifully arranged on the plate - you know someone's fingers have been all over it. ~Julia Child"

Three4Me
on 3/26/09 10:05 am, edited 3/26/09 10:07 am

Do Insurance Companies Lie?  Absolutely. Continually. Without reservation.  They are one of the largest for-profit businesses and that profit doesn't come from paying claims or approving surgeries.  I compare them to casinos.....having been born/raised in Reno I always tell people "The Casinos weren't able to build those amazing buildings by paying out money....so your chances of winning are minimal."

That said, I had to appeal my BCBS claim b/c they said I didn't have 6 months worth of s'vised PCP/NUT/Xrcize.  I successfully appeal'd the claim myself, but I was relentless in my efforts and my suggestion is that you take this very seriously, of course, and spell it out for them.  What you are doing, really, is creating evidence in case a civil claim has to be filed.  Sit down at your computer.  Chart out your weights from each piece of medical documentation you have been provided:

January 2005 = Weight/BMI, February 2005 = Weight/BMI, etc., etc.  Of course, you won't have each and every month documented but try to get something from each quarter of the year and as many months as you can.  Do a separate "chart" for each year. 

You want to show where your weight/BMI has been 35+ (if that is the requirement in your Plan Summary.  By that I mean, get a copy of the specific requirements from your policy. Verify that it says BMI must be 35+ for past 5 years and documented in the medical record.) for five years--make it clear and concise.  I am so happy you have found an insurance liason at Vandy (Cynthia) who is helpful.  But you are your own best friend when it comes to advocating for yourself in this process.

Remember, every letter you send to them is part of the puzzle that your attorney will use (if it gets to that) as evidentiary documentation to prove your case!  So, give her/him a lot to work with!! :). 

I am hopeful you will win this on appeal, but, realistically, until the insurance company knows that you are not going to lay down and let them walk all over you they will do all they can to deny each and every claim.  They have entire buildings full of staff whose job it is to find any reason to deny a claim--and sometimes w/out any reason at all.

If you need help writing your appeals letter, let me know--I am happy to review your draft and, if you can email me copies of your attachments, look at those, too when you feel you are ready to submit. 

As far as the "peer to peer"--that is typically the first step after the initial denial.  It is when your surgeon speaks directly with a Cigna hired surgeon to advocate on your behalf. They can be sucessful.  In my case, BCBS still denied my claim. 

What is important is that you find out how long you have from the first denial letter to submit it for appeal. DO NOT LET YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY DO AN AUTOMATIC APPEAL WITHOUT YOU INSTRUCTING THEM TO APPEAL IT BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE BENEFIT OF SUBMITTING THE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION/EVIDENCE OF YOUR COMPLIANCE with the policy terms.  And you only get so many appeals, especially at an in-house level. It will go quicker the sooner you get your approval

You will have a certain number of days to appeal...make a note of that, build your evidence and hit them with an appeal they can't in good conscience (that is, if those running insurance companies had a conscience!!) deny---or, should I say, they won't deny because they know the cost of legal defense will outweigh the cost of surgery.

Good luck!!!! You can do this! xo, Micheala.

 

  

Preop Weight 293/SW 289/CW 202.3/GW 165/LW158

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