Does anyone else's insurance lie???!!!!
480/435/180/230
HW/SW/CW/GW
Currently Looking into Plastics with Dr. Carden (in Mexico)
The weight that is recorded for you five years ago... look that up on the BMI scale. Is it in meeting with their requirement? If so, then make a copy of that five year record, include the BMI scale, and prove to them that you did meet that portion of their criteria. That is what I would do. You just have to reprove every denial reason as it occurs.
and, let me just say, the name of Managed Care is MANAGED DOLLARS. the longer they can deny you, the more money they make on interest with the money that has been set aside to pay claims. That is the name of the game: profit. Not health. good luck to you... and make sure that once you have refuted everything and they give you other reasons, that you do not miss your appeals window.Often times it is work that the patient must do in order to overturn denials, rejections etc. Not always does it lie with doc's offices, so don't wait! Be proactive.
My surgeon had a peer to peer review for the second part of my DS surgery. Which should have been a slam-dunk. They didn't pay for the sleeve gastrectomy, and I'd had the sleeve done as the first part of the DS. So having approved the DS and paid for the sleeve, they pretty much had to approve the second half, and they didn't! So during the peer to peer, their doctor just got rude and angry with my surgeon, and questioned his medical judgment!!!! I've been a nurse for a lonnnnnng time, and that's the first I've actually seen something like that!!
Peer to peer just means that your doctor talks to one of their doctors. My PCP had a peer to peer when I was going on disability, and that worked out well without my having to do another appeal or hire a lawyer or anything.
I'll definitely be pulling for you. I think it's ridiculous how the insurance companies drag their feet in approving and paying for WLS. Yeah, it's "elective." But it's life-saving and MONEY-saving, too! I know my insurance company has saved a ton just since I've had the DS a month and a half ago.
Dennie
"It's so beautifully arranged on the plate - you know someone's fingers have been all over it. ~Julia Child"
Do Insurance Companies Lie? Absolutely. Continually. Without reservation. They are one of the largest for-profit businesses and that profit doesn't come from paying claims or approving surgeries. I compare them to casinos.....having been born/raised in Reno I always tell people "The Casinos weren't able to build those amazing buildings by paying out money....so your chances of winning are minimal."
That said, I had to appeal my BCBS claim b/c they said I didn't have 6 months worth of s'vised PCP/NUT/Xrcize. I successfully appeal'd the claim myself, but I was relentless in my efforts and my suggestion is that you take this very seriously, of course, and spell it out for them. What you are doing, really, is creating evidence in case a civil claim has to be filed. Sit down at your computer. Chart out your weights from each piece of medical documentation you have been provided:
January 2005 = Weight/BMI, February 2005 = Weight/BMI, etc., etc. Of course, you won't have each and every month documented but try to get something from each quarter of the year and as many months as you can. Do a separate "chart" for each year.
You want to show where your weight/BMI has been 35+ (if that is the requirement in your Plan Summary. By that I mean, get a copy of the specific requirements from your policy. Verify that it says BMI must be 35+ for past 5 years and documented in the medical record.) for five years--make it clear and concise. I am so happy you have found an insurance liason at Vandy (Cynthia) who is helpful. But you are your own best friend when it comes to advocating for yourself in this process.
Remember, every letter you send to them is part of the puzzle that your attorney will use (if it gets to that) as evidentiary documentation to prove your case! So, give her/him a lot to work with!! :).
I am hopeful you will win this on appeal, but, realistically, until the insurance company knows that you are not going to lay down and let them walk all over you they will do all they can to deny each and every claim. They have entire buildings full of staff whose job it is to find any reason to deny a claim--and sometimes w/out any reason at all.
If you need help writing your appeals letter, let me know--I am happy to review your draft and, if you can email me copies of your attachments, look at those, too when you feel you are ready to submit.
As far as the "peer to peer"--that is typically the first step after the initial denial. It is when your surgeon speaks directly with a Cigna hired surgeon to advocate on your behalf. They can be sucessful. In my case, BCBS still denied my claim.
What is important is that you find out how long you have from the first denial letter to submit it for appeal. DO NOT LET YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY DO AN AUTOMATIC APPEAL WITHOUT YOU INSTRUCTING THEM TO APPEAL IT BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE BENEFIT OF SUBMITTING THE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION/EVIDENCE OF YOUR COMPLIANCE with the policy terms. And you only get so many appeals, especially at an in-house level. It will go quicker the sooner you get your approval
You will have a certain number of days to appeal...make a note of that, build your evidence and hit them with an appeal they can't in good conscience (that is, if those running insurance companies had a conscience!!) deny---or, should I say, they won't deny because they know the cost of legal defense will outweigh the cost of surgery.
Good luck!!!! You can do this! xo, Micheala.