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Topic: RE: Sleep Lab tech here...
Thanks again for all the good information and the website. What you said makes a lot of sense. I live alone, so I can't have anyone listen to my breathing/snoring, but, when I was married and had lost about 50 pounds more than I've lost so far, I stopped snoring and slept better. So, I will definitely wait until I've lost more weight.
Thank you.
Donna
Topic: RE: ****Claustraphobic and Needing C-Pap****
you can try the smaller SWIFT style "mask" that just fits under your nose and in your nostrils...but at high pressures isn't as tolerated as the triangle shaped ones. but they are much smaller.
it usually takes 2 weeks to get the equipment set up at home. A doctor still has to review your study with the mask etc... then they order a prescription for the Home CPAP set up. A home care company would be contacted and set up a time with you to get your machine. I don't think any place would send you home with the equipment. Sleep Techs can't write Rx!
You might want to try going in during the day and trying on various masks before you get your home set up. You can normally get a mask only every 6 months. OR pay out of pocket. They can be $100+ however.
Surgery at significant levels of sleep apnea is pretty much lost...it may allow you to tolerate lower levels of CPAP but for most people it isn't a cure. I consider it a ROTO ROOTERING of the throat. Doesn't sound very pleasant does it?!
Topic: RE: Sleep Lab tech here...
I would wait til you are almost at goal and/or you have lost most of the excess fat around your neck area.
Just because you lose the weight doesn't mean you will be "cured"...those tissues inside your throat could be extra floppy too and cause you to still snore and block your airway.
I don't think you can really worry about pressure being too high except for comfort/toleration and compliance with the CPAP. The extra air won't hurt anything.
BUT too low and you will continue to snore and have apneas...you might be fine most of the night and then you hit REM or have REM on your back and voila....apneas and desats... like my pt last night. I had him on 10cmh20 and he was doing great...had REM on his right side early on....then flopped on to his back around 4:30 and had REM again....had to bump him up 2 more times to 14cmh20. That is why a full night mask study is preferred.
Here is a good website from the Cleveland Clinic explaining different sleep disorders etc..
http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com/diseasemanagement/pulmonary/sleep/sleep.htm
Regardless....like anything Medicine is trial and error. I am not suggesting you go against what is prescribed but I diagnose myself 90% of the time and do my own research...THIS is NOT medical advice!!!!
You can always try a night or two without and see how you feel...SUBJECTIVELY....be honest and don't fool yourself if you really don't feel better or the same. Have your spouse try to see/hear your sleeping for a bit of time....not just when you first fall asleep. The deeper or longer you have been asleep usually heavier snoring....listen for cessation of breathing but chest rise/stomach still trying to breathe....
YOU don't have to do what your doctor's say, you don't have to take your meds etc....you don't have to agree to procedures you don't feel are necessary. BUT it is best to have the most information available to make a valued decision.
Patients refuse treatment all the time...people leave the hospital AGAINST Doctor's Orders etc...it isn't prison! I have pt's leave at 2am and refuse treatment because they can't tolerate the mask. That is their perogative.
Topic: RE: Sleep Lab tech here...
I don't know that it matters when you take the anti depressants to affect your sleep...the fact that you are taking them in general can affect your sleep patterns.
I found this info a websearch
Sleep: Quality, restful sleep
Sleep is essential for good physical, mental and emotional health. Different people require different amounts of sleep. In general, most healthy adults need 7 - 9 hours of sleep each night. However, some people need more than 9 hours, and others can sleep less and wake up completely refreshed (contrary to myth, the need for sleep does not diminish with age, although the ability to get it all at one time may be reduced). Obviously, for each of us the amount of sleep we get is extremely important. But the type of sleep we get also determines how well-rested we will be when we awake.
The two basic types of sleep, REM (Rapid Eye Movement or dream sleep) and Non-REM (NREM), include a total of five stages that we move into and out of as we sleep. The duration and quality of these stages can vary greatly, depending on age, health, sleep hygiene, and the individual sleeper. Sleep researchers use the term "sleep architecture" to describe the cycles of sleep. Sleep usually begins with a cycle that consists of 80 minutes of NREM sleep followed by 10 minutes of REM sleep. This 90-minute cycle is repeated three to six times each night. With each cycle, the amount of slow-wave sleep decreases and the proportion of REM sleep increases. The order of a typical sleep cycle is: waking, stage 1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 5 (REM).
About 80% of adult sleep is NREM sleep. NREM sleep is divided into four stages:
Stage 1 (transitional sleep): The transitional stage is the drowsy period from wakefulness to deeper sleep, and usually lasts less than 15 minutes. This is the lightest period of sleep and during it we are more responsive to sounds and external activities and are more easily awakened. Brain waves, as measured by an electroencephalogram (EEG), are fast and are known as "beta" waves. During this transitional stage breathing becomes slow and regular, heart rate decreases, and the eyes exhibit slow rolling movements.
Stage 2 (light sleep): This is a deeper stage of sleep and lasts 15 to 30 minutes in each sleep cycle (over the whole of a night it makes up 45 - 55% of our total sleep). Here, the brain waves, now called "theta" waves, slow even further and fragmented thoughts and images pass through the mind. Eye movements usually disappear, muscles relax, and there is very little body movement.
Stages 3 and 4 (deep sleep): Stages 3 and 4 are often referred to as deep sleep or "delta" sleep. These stages normally last for 30 to 40 minutes in the first sleep cycle and decrease with subsequent cycles throughout the night. In stages 3 and 4 there is little contact with external sensation, breathing slows down even more, muscles relax, and the heart beats slower and slower. Dreams are more common during stages 3 and 4 of sleep, and people are more likely to talk to themselves. Deep sleep decreases with age - by age 75, stage 4, the deepest sleep, may be completely absent.
About 20% of sleep is REM, or dream sleep.
Stage 5 (REM or dream sleep) REM sleep typically occurs at the end of each sleep cycle - though some researchers have noted the presence of dream activity during NREM sleep as well. Unlike NREM sleep, REM sleep involves a high level of mental and physical activity, including increased brain activity, blood pressure, heart rate, blood flow to the brain and respiration. Intense dreaming occurs during REM sleep as a result of heightened cerebral activity, but interestingly, REM sleep is also characterized by muscular immobility or paralysis. It is generally thought that REM-associated muscle paralysis is meant to keep the body from acting out the dreams that occur during this intense sleep stage. The first period of REM sleep typically lasts 10 minutes, with each recurring REM stage lengthening, and the final one lasting an hour. In the newborn baby, more than 50% of sleep may be REM sleep. By the age of 2 years, the proportion of REM sleep decreases to 20% to 25% and remains constant throughout adulthood.
Although the reasons for the different types of sleep are still being studied, it is clear that we need each type. The "restorative" theory suggests that sleep enables the body to make repairs after the exertions of the day. REM sleep appears to be vital to many of our most important brain functions and may allow the brain to synthesize neurotransmitters like norepinephrine and dopamine to compensate for the amount used during the day. REM sleep also appears to stimulate the brain regions used in learning and memory. One theory is that in REM sleep important memories / experiences are strengthened, and trivial events are discarded. Similarly, deep sleep (stages 3 and 4), appears to be essential for its repair and restorative properties. During deep sleep metabolic activity is at its lowest, providing an opportunity for tissue growth and repair. The secretion of growth hormone also reaches its peak during stages 3 and 4. In children, growth hormone encourages growth. In adults it assists with healing of muscles. Interestingly, daytime sleep is less restful than nighttime sleep because it does not provide the same quality of sleep architecture.
http://remedyfind.com/rem.asp?ID=13568
or this site....a different explanation with some good side notes
http://www.medicinenet.com/sleep/article.htm
this is what is says about REM/drugs-
Since sleep and wakefulness are influenced by different neurotransmitter signals in the brain, foods and medicines that change the balance of these signals affect whether we feel alert or drowsy and how well we sleep. Caffeinated drinks such as coffee and drugs such as diet pills and decongestants stimulate some parts of the brain and can cause insomnia, or an inability to sleep. Many antidepressants suppress REM sleep. Heavy smokers often sleep very lightly and have reduced amounts of REM sleep. They also tend to wake up after 3 or 4 hours of sleep due to nicotine withdrawal. Many people who suffer from insomnia try to solve the problem with alcohol--the so-called nightcap. While alcohol does help people fall into light sleep, it also robs them of REM and the deeper, more restorative stages of sleep. Instead, it keeps them in the lighter stages of sleep, from which they can be awakened easily.
Topic: RE: ****Claustraphobic and Needing C-Pap****
I too was too claustraphobic for the mask. I tried every alternative they had. Secondly, I just kept opening my mouth and inhaling air, then my whole abdomen and chest felt like I was full of air. Thirdly, I have acid reflux and would almost everynight spit up yuck into the mask. It just didn't work for me.
When I was tested it showed that I stopped breathing every 3 minutes. I don't know how one functions with all the disturbance. Plus my husband cannot be sleeping too soundly with me snoring SO loud (though he says it's comforting to him, just to know that I'm still breathing)
Finally we made the decision to do the throat surgery. Oh boy, where do I start? That was the hardest recovery of anything I've gone thru to date. I've been thru alot with all of my medicals problems, not to mention 3 child births. My throat was almost completely closed after the surgery. EVERY swallow hurt so bad. Liquids would squirt up my nose (which is really miserable****asionally if I talk or laugh while I'm eating I can get a little piece of food lodged up the back of my nose.
Long story short, I only improved by 50% after the surgery, but it was somewhat better. I'm really hoping when I get the WLS that it will help even more
My heart goes out to you.
Topic: ****Claustraphobic and Needing C-Pap****
Man oh man am I screwed up. Just did my sleep study last Wed and am defective even where Sleep Apnea is concerned- needed the pressure adjusted from a regular CPap to a BiPap because apparently I woke up (with the mask) and then my incidents changed from not breathing IN to not breathing OUT.
To top it all off I am EXTREMELY CLAUSTROPHOBIC!!!! I only made it thru the study by meditating and because my sleep tech swore he would wake me up as soon as he had the tests he needed.
They didn't send me home with a machine, though I apparently desperately need it, so I am wondering- am I the only claustraphobe out here? Does anyone know of an alternative to the masks?
Topic: RE: Sleep Lab tech here...
Shannon,
Thank you so much for all this information. I appreciate the time you took to put all this down. I have been using a CPAP since 2 weeks before my surgery this year (March 17). My surgeon suggested I get a follow up sleep study at 6 mos., but my PCP thinks I should wait a bit longer. I'm ok with that. Here's my question. Are there some symptoms that indicate it might be time to get a follow up sleep study done? That is, if the air pressure is too high, does the body react in a standard way?
Donna
Topic: RE: three's a crowd
I got my CPAP a few weeks before surgery. The first night I was very conscious of the mask,but I did sleep. I woke up the very first morning without my usual headache and feeling rested for the first time in a year. The next night I slept like a baby. I experimented and didn't use the machine one night and woke up with a blinding headache the next morning. I'm so used to the mask that, when I wake up, for a few seconds, I think there's nothing on my face. In short, I'm very happy with the machine, but I am looking forward to being without it eventually.
Donna
Topic: RE: Need a cpap machine???
Since I've lost 62 pounds, I don't need it anymore. My sleep is wonderful now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm lovin' the weight loss AND the health bennefits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Laurie
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Topic: RE: Sleep Lab tech here...
Wow Shannon, you are a wealth of information. I read your post about anti-depressants maybe causing non-REM sleep? So are you supposed to take those in the morning? I don't know why, but I have always taken mine at night. I am waiting on the results of my overnight oximeter test. My PCP decided to go that route, and depending on what it says, I might have to do the full night one. I am not pre, I am post WLS and have lost a total of 141 pounds, but the last year or so have had major issues with headaches and being extremely tired, so hopefully my test will show something.
Thanks, Stephanie
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