Not necessarily [Blocked from the daily menu thread...]

I am disappointed in your proffered reasons for not simply pasting in the links into this thread, "I suspect that no number of studies I provide will influence your thinking." as obviously this thread is read by many viewers and you can despise me but if you had found a study or two it could have made a difference in another members life.

This makes me doubt the validity of your comments as providing supporting documentation is not an issue when you have your sources at your fingertips.

Too bad because I was REALLY REALLY hoping there were legit studies out there that address all this angst.

The sample size of our vets here is small, but their stories are profound. I feel pretty good leaning more toward our vets than the medical support provided by my office.

As some of you know, I was advised to pick up my carbs and calories by my NUT and surgeon, and while I've allowed an increase in calories I cut back on the fresh fruit after developing serious bread cravings.

>> ...Obviously this thread is read by many viewers and you can despise me but if you had found a study or two it could have made a difference in another members life.

If other posters need help and are open to reading studies, I will absolutely provide them with any information I can find. This thread is neither the time nor place for general education.

>> This makes me doubt the validity of your comments as providing supporting documentation is not an issue when you have your sources at your fingertips.

I have a full-time job and a family to care for. Sorry, but I don't have two spare hours to spend digging through PubMed to placate you. You're more than welcome to do your own homework.

yes, I jumped to that conclusion when I thought I'd been blocked from the thread, not by an individual.

As I said above,

"Yes, I totally agree!

I suggested it was my relatively unapologetic attitude about allowing some wine in my life, but lets be real, if I listed every single thing I've posted that has really set folks off it would be a pretty long list."

Your atrocious dietary choices aren't the worst of your posts. It's your "Neener, neener, watch while I drink my 3.5 oz pour (how preciously pretentious--you don't just drink wine, you drink a 'pour'), eat carbs with abandon, defend my poor choices, and argue against all comers".

Unapologetic is wearing white after Labor Day. You are firmly in the land of obdurate at this point. You take every bit of proffered advice and sniff at it, backing up your choice not with science but with weak anecdotal evidence.

The most dearly held myth of obesity is that we all can eat and drink in moderation and maintain our health and svelte figures. The reality is that if any of us were good at true moderation we wouldn't be here, the last house on the block.

By all means, enjoy a bacchanal of wine and food. You've rejected all reason and sense in your need to prove us all wrong.

1. "Your atrocious dietary choices aren't the worst of your posts. It's your "Neener, neener, watch while I drink my 3.5 oz pour (how preciously pretentious--you don't just drink wine, you drink a 'pour')," A glass of wine is usually 4 to 6 oz. so I guess I could say 3.5 oz glass but calling me "preciously pretentious" sounds a little rich coming from someone who also uses precise vocabulary. You are reading a lot of drama into my posts.
2. "You take every bit of proffered advice and sniff at it, backing up your choice not with science but with weak anecdotal evidence." No one on here who has been providing insight to my current diet has provided me with a link or study name. What I've heard over and over and over is "Listen to the vets" which is GREAT advice but not science. I'm not TRYING to counter with science, I'm trying to be transparent about my choices. Yes I totally agree that a AMAW life would have the best long term outcome, but it's not sustainable FOR ME. Like you said, this is the end of the road. I know what does work and what doesn't work for me. I am so freaking thankful for this tool, and it's a TOOL that I will work.
3. I'm having one or two glasses a week this isn't about a drinking problem.
4. "eat carbs with abandon, defend my poor choices, and argue against all comers" My carbs are not out of line with most current recommendations. Yes they're above fifty at times, but generally below 100. See included chart.
5. "The most dearly held myth of obesity is that we all can eat and drink in moderation and maintain our health and svelte figures. The reality is that if any of us were good at true moderation we wouldn't be here, the last house on the block." If you look at my menus, I'm not just moderating my diet. I have never in my life eaten so few calories. This isn't just a regular diet, pared down. I'm also eating far more protein than a regular diet pared down. I AM trying to keep small amounts of the things I love the most, in my diet. This isn't some crazy radical concept - there is a lot of literature that supports the idea that some "bad" foods can be included in a diet as long as they are minimal.
6. It's clear that I and others, haven't realized the Menu Thread isn't for support, it's to publish both the ideal and the real world, boots on the ground, path for those who can and will follow the letter of the law, where law means adhering to the advice of the most dominate voices on OH.

"It's clear that I and others, haven't realized the Menu Thread isn't for support, it's to publish both the ideal and the real world, boots on the ground, path for those who can and will follow the letter of the law, where law means adhering to the advice of the most dominate voices on OH."

The funny part is look at who is calling you out on this thread, not folks who have participated while I have been on the menu thread in the last year. They must be viewing from R & R and like a pack of wolves..move in for the kill. I cant help but feel for them.

FYI:I read the daily tread and I sometimes participate but not in a menu. I used to do that in the past- but now - 9+ years out- and at or below goal - and with many food allergies /sensitivities - my diet is not only boring but really limited. i would not want to discouraged people from getting RNY because that "made me" sick.

alcohol - I've seen what alcohol can do to a person post op RNY or any WLS. On boards and IRL. At one time I even have my own personal battle with it. And I won, my IRL friend is fighting it. She is about to lose her marriage and her home.

One of the difference between us is - I am a member here - and she is not. I got a "thought love" before it got too late for me - and listen to it and I was stubborn enough to "show them I can quit, and lose the regain". And I did. And that's how I realized I may have a problem. Because until then I did not feel like I needed a drink, but that I drank because I wanted it. going without it 1-2 days was not an issue - but 3-5 days - that was not easy. Now - after really giving it up for at least 1 year - I no longer care if I have it or not. I may, but I often really don't want it.

My friend is surrounded by people who eat and drink, all normies, most of them are MO or SMO, and they can hold their alcohol. I see her seldom now. It is sad. Not only she posts drank, but she regained at least 100 lbs, and is in pain, with mineral - vitamin deficiencies. It is sad.

Hi Hala, I have seen you on the menu board and I am glad to hear you were able to beat food and alcohol addiction! I also feel you were fair in your responses, not all were and that is their prerogative. I found it funny to see comments and likes from members I do not usually see. It is much easier to walk away and throw hands in the air than to try to be the one that gets the last word.

i am writing this in the elliptical at the gym, so this is me throwing my hands in the air! Lol

"They must be viewing from R & R and like a pack of wolves..move in for the kill. I cant help but feel for them."

Hi Mr. Duffman,
Thank you for bravely posting your thoughts! This is no small act in the face of the mob mentality so prevalent in this thread. Thank you, sir - truly.

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"All cruelty springs from weakness." --Seneca, 4BC-AD65

Hi Ladies,
Please take a moment and ask that wonderful and wise counsel deep inside yourself if perhaps, just maybe, during your participation in this thread you have felt it was about time you ladies got together like this and really put her in her place...

The good news, ladies, is that you're not bad - not one of you. I promise. :)
Sometimes the average person w/ low self-esteem loses it, then takes out their feelings in a bullying manner. People do this consciously (or...unconsciously) because of a hole inside of themselves they're trying to fill by being better than someone else. It gives them a sense of power & authority (in RL we refer to people like this as 'tissue-tigers':), it's just a way for them to live w/ their own feelings of insecurity, inferiority &/or anger by putting those feelings on someone else and then attacking them...But regardless of the how's or why's, it's not acceptable.
The not-so-good-news is two-fold. 1st-It's almost impossible to stand up to being set-upon by more than 1person; therefore, group bullying is an excellent weapon...and...especially cruel. Secondly, it's more insidious and pernicious when thinly guised as the hand of friendship: "...she kept being so darn nice, her own past words were basically the best we had (Lol...And hey, 'Good Luck' fighting your own words, right!?) If some us looked up her old posts and we then bashed her w/ them, put her in her place, and basically showed her 'what's what', that's not mean because we did it out of love and friendship and stuff."
->It's still bullying.

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Lol...Thankfully, we're all in the process of becoming. Wishing you health, joy...and, Strength! :)

Funny part is that I had never had interaction with Honestomnivore prior to this post. She was not being treated in a nice way, ( it is so easy online) and I never mentioned a name or bad mouthed a person. I just felt she was being treated poorly and I lost "friends" because of it. C'est la vie!