Even 2000mg of calcium citrate isn't enough, apparently

H.A.L.A B.
on 12/6/14 10:47 pm

This is my take on bone health following a lot of research:

Beside calcium we need magnesium, boron, and other minerals, plus vit Bs and K2. K2 is responsible for helping with bone matrix, and incorporating calcium into the bone.  Just increasing calcium without increasing other factors may not work. 

Hala. RNY 5/14/2008; Happy At Goal =HAG

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Cicerogirl, The PhD
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on 12/6/14 11:29 pm - OH

I may have to go back to the hematologist.  My K level is a bit low, but we hesitate to do anythign with it because it screws up my PTT/INR because of the blood thinner.  It is higher than it was 2 years ago, but still not quite normal.

thanks.

14 years out; 190 pounds lost, 165 pound loss maintained

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H.A.L.A B.
on 12/7/14 1:36 am

There are different K. Many of them. As far as I know K1 is responsible for blood thinning.  I don't believe K2 should affect that. But K2 is critical for bone formation.  And like with some other vitamins and hormones, normal level of K2 may mean nothing. 

Just do some research about K2. Really interesting.

Hala. RNY 5/14/2008; Happy At Goal =HAG

"I can eat or do anything I want to - as long as I am willing to deal with the consequences"

"Failure is not falling down, It is not getting up once you fell... So pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again...."

SkinnyScientist
on 12/7/14 12:04 pm

Love this post!

Execellent!

RNY Surgery: 12/31/2013; 

Current weight (2/27/2015) 139lbs, ~14% body fat

Three pounds below Goal!!! Yay !  

gbsinsatx
on 12/6/14 11:19 pm - San Antonio, TX

Hi Lora, 

This is my experience so far: 

Through a DEXA scan I was diagnosed with Osteopenia at age 55, just prior to my RNY surgery on March 22, 2010.

I have been taking 1500mg of Calcium Citrate in 5 doses of 300mg throughout the day since RNY on March 22, 2010.

Through another DEXA scan I was diagnosed with Osteoporosis at age 58, in December 2012. 

I was prescribed a 2 year regimen of Forteo from January 2013 to December 2014 that I just completed. Forteo stimulates new bone formation. Forteo is a daily injection of man made parathyroid hormone.  

Now, I will be taking a yearly infusion of Reclast at the end of December 2014. I will find out my latest DEXA scan results at this appointment. Reclast is a drug used to preserve existing bone.  Reclast is a annual infusion given for 3-5 years, and it's a bisphosphonate.

Age at RNY: 55, Height: 5'4", Consultation Weight: 331 lbs-12/1/2009, RNY Surgery Weight: 281 lbs-3/22/2010, Goal Weight Reached: 141 lbs-6/23/2011, Lowest Weight: 126 lbs-12/11/2011

Current Age: 61, Current Weight: 161 lbs-5/20/2016Total Weight Loss Maintained: 170 lbs  

                                      

Cicerogirl, The PhD
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on 12/6/14 11:33 pm - OH

I haven't heard of the Forteo before.  Will you let me know what your latest DEXA shows?  I see the gynecologist again on Jan 2, and do want to talk to her about it.

 

14 years out; 190 pounds lost, 165 pound loss maintained

You don't drown by falling in the water. You drown by staying there.

gbsinsatx
on 12/7/14 12:11 am - San Antonio, TX

Sure, no problem! My appointment is December 19th. I will contact you then.

Age at RNY: 55, Height: 5'4", Consultation Weight: 331 lbs-12/1/2009, RNY Surgery Weight: 281 lbs-3/22/2010, Goal Weight Reached: 141 lbs-6/23/2011, Lowest Weight: 126 lbs-12/11/2011

Current Age: 61, Current Weight: 161 lbs-5/20/2016Total Weight Loss Maintained: 170 lbs  

                                      

MsBatt
on 12/7/14 12:30 am

It just really ticks me off that so many surgeons don't tell their patients that blood calcium levels are virtually meaningless. Every WLS patient needs to understand the dance that goes on with calcium, D, PTH, magnesium, etc.

I'm doing well with taking 1800 mg, but I also aggressively supplement D, K, and magensium, and watch my PTH like a hawk.

poet_kelly
on 12/7/14 1:45 am - OH

I'm not sure those surgeons even know the blood calcium level is meaningless in terms of if we're getting enough calcium.  They should understand it but it seems like they don't.  some don't even order a PTH unless you specifically ask them to, and they tell patients their vitamin D level is fine when it's really very low, etc.

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Cicerogirl, The PhD
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on 12/7/14 5:28 am - OH

Me, too!  

My surgeon gave us quite a bit of really good information pre-op, but she never mentioned getting DEXA scans and never said a word about the limitation of the serum calcium level.  Both of those were things I learned about here and then did some additional research on.

My PCP also had no idea (but he admits that his knowledge of the "details" of vitamin supplementation and dependencies/incompatibilities (even for non-bypassed patients) is limited).  I ended up printing off some information on the calcium issue for him. 

14 years out; 190 pounds lost, 165 pound loss maintained

You don't drown by falling in the water. You drown by staying there.

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