Never full

LINDA--the "nose flare/run" thing was/is my FIRST sign of "fullness"....I'm now 11 and 1/2 years post RNY. In the beginning I thought I had developed "allergies" to food because of my nose running!!

It doesn't run as much NOW-but mainly because when it starts to FLARE, and ITCH, I know I'm getting full, and need to STOP...it's great little measuring tool !!

If you don't mind me adding UN-ASKED FOR "ADVICE: PLEASE try not to "test the waters" any more often than humanly possible...those waters can be very deep and hard to climb out of. (Do as I SAY, not as I DID...lol )

Funny, isn't it?  Yes, I am one year out and starting to struggle with snacking. .... Old habits.....I am doing what I should 95% of the time.... Don't drink with meals....protein first.....exercise quite a bit.... tho I'm snacking mostly on healthy things, I am aware it is too much.  I did go to counseling for a number of months pre and post op and did resolve a lot of issues that led me to emotionally eating my feelings, some of the snacking is making its way back in.  I know that this is going to be a life-long battle, for sure!

Thanks that's what I was wondering.. If I'm ever going to feel full.. Yet I never feel hungry either.. Just eating because I have too.. 

I had hunger pangs all the time in the beginning.  I even called the surgeon a week out I was so upset.  Apparently it wasn't real hunger but gas and nerves adjusting.  Now I am six months out I have a regular feeling of hunger and fullness.  It does come back.  As far as dumping, I think it takes more than a bite or two.  I do get it.  I don't get the immediate diarrhea, but severe nausea and light headed sick feeling to where I have to lay down.  If it is true that not everyone gets this, than I am blessed that I do because it keeps me straight.  My biggest problem is with sugar not so much other carbs.  I try to stay on track.

"until I'm full or no longer hungry" - that is the key phrase in your packet. You aren't feeling full but you've said "Im truthfully not hungry all day."  so don't try to eat til "full" since you aren't feeling full. If you search around this site or other sites you'll see examples of some of the plans out there. Since your surgeon doesn't have a "measured" plan it might be wise for you to find one and adopt it. When I was on the soft protein diet I was to eat 2-3 oz of food. Most will tell you to measure by volume and not by weight since your pouch doesn't have a scale. So there are 8 oz in a cup, 4 oz in a 1/2 cup and 2 oz in a 1/4 cup. So I started with 1/4 cup of food and as I had room I moved up to a 1/3 cup. Try measuring and eating the measured amount. If you aren't hungry when you finish great! don't eat any more than that. that would be following the instructions. You'll also find as you heal and the nerves grow back you will start feeling the restriction but it won't matter because you are already used to mentally eating the measured amount. As time goes on your portion amount will grow. At almost 1.5 years out I still can only eat about a cup of food at a meal. Others can eat more. My doctor also had me on 3 meals only a day. It prevents grazing is their thought. I couldn't get in 60 grams of protein on 3 meals a day when you can only eat 2 oz at a time so he had me add a shake to get to my goal. You'll also find that dense protein will keep you fuller longer once you start getting that feeling back. And please for your sake stay away from white carbs until maintenance and limit them even then or you won't make it to goal. If you are lucky enough to make it you won't maintain it by carbing out. At this point just work on getting in your 60g of protein and 64oz of water.

You all keep saying the vets will chime in, but you "newbies" have gotten it correct.  I can't even imagine that the O******ious or that there is even an actual question somewhere burried in this post.  You will likely not feel full because your nerves have been cut.  You are also not going to be full because you are eating slider foods (cheetos go right through the stomach - they aren't going to fill you up.)   

My question is why are you sabotaging yourself?  I am certain you didn't make this life altering decision to simply go back to your old ways.  Every center has its own plan, but I can guarantee you that none of the foods you listed are on any of those plans for 3 weeks out.  My advice is this: 

1) Contact your surgeon/dietician and ask for guidance regarding your food stages/diet & get rid of all of that processed, high carb/fat/calorie food

2) Focus on protein first eat tiny bites, sit there, chew (like you have been), do not get up...sit there until you have eaten your measured portion (probably about 2oz of maybe tuna or chicken breast - whatever is on ur plan), eat your meal within about 30mins - don't get up and putter around, add in some complex carbs if you have room - this early out -- you probably won't 

3) Seek therapy - it's important to fix our minds...this journey is mind-blowing--we need all the help we can get

Unfortunately the internet doesn't have a "tone" button - I'm being blunt not b**chy.

In another month or two you will be able to eat a lot more food at one time with a lot less chewing.  Dumping does not happen from a few bites of food, it takes a lot of sugar and/or fat to make it happen.  And it only happens for about 30% of us.  Many of us could have a whole chocolate cake with a hot fudge sundae on the side and never dump.

You can outeat any surgery.  There are people who have RNY and have little or no weight loss.  You seem to have made a good start on making sure you do not lose your excess weight.

Even with your experiments, malabsorption should take off some weight for a few months.  But you will have no foundation on how to change your eating and exercise habits and it will be difficult or impossible for you to get to goal and to maintain any weight loss.

Surgery is a tool, not a magic wand.  Many of us wanted to eat junky foods, but we used denial and discipline.  For me surgery was a chance to change my life and I was and still am very careful not to waste that chance. 

Eating less and losing weight is easy now.  This will get a lot harder as time goes by, your pouch gets larger, your hunger comes back, and your malabsorption goes away.

I hope you come to your senses and get some help, but you are an adult and can make your own choices about whether or not you want to do what is necessary to get rid of the weight.

This is a joke, right?

i eat 3 meals/day and 2 snacks or 5 mini meals. i was told to eat 1/2 cup of food in the beginning. think of your new stomach like a newborn baby stomach. if you wouldnt feed a newborn this then don't feed yourself this.  i was a revision patient and i still didn't push my pouch.  I was told no red meat for 6 weeks.  red meat is very hard on your new stomach.  corn and spicy foods are the worst thing for a new stomach.

i sit a timer and at the end of 20 minutes i stop eating. i tat 1 cup to 1 1/2 cups and i am 3 years out. tamara

Wow!  I haven't had surgery yet - but I know from the research I've done to date that you're not eating right.   Where's your protein?  Everything I've read is "get the protein in first"    I'm sure if you kept a food diary and showed it to your nutritionist, she would have suggestions for you.  Ask her for a sample menu plan.  Ask her specifically what you should eat for each meal.  You've just had surgery to change your life -- I hope you get on track - you know you're doing yourself an injustice.  

I won't say "Good Luck" -- because luck has nothing to do with it -- it takes committed work.  True, I haven't had the surgery yet so it may sound like I'm on my high horse - and I'm sure it's not easy, but reflect back to your life before surgery and why you went through with it.  Do it right girl !

Mary