If you only want to hear one response...

Frances S.
on 3/8/12 12:54 am - Crystal Falls, MI
 I had to go find the post this was in response to and all I can say is ... well, nothing.  I'm effing speechless.  I'm just amazed so many people spent so much time giving her such detailed, helpful responses.
poet_kelly
on 3/8/12 1:00 am - OH
I know.  And people continued to do so even after she indicated she did not appreciate any help and did not want to be told she needed to change her behavior.  I think it shows how much many people on this board really care.  It's unfortunate when someone turns down all that help, but everyone gets to make their own decisions.

View more of my photos at ObesityHelp.com          Kelly

Please note: I AM NOT A DOCTOR.  If you want medical advice, talk to your doctor.  Whatever I post, there is probably some surgeon or other health care provider somewhere that disagrees with me.  If you want to know what your surgeon thinks, then ask him or her.    Check out my blog.

 

Paul C.
on 3/8/12 1:02 am - Cumming, GA
On March 7, 2012 at 7:30 PM Pacific Time, poet_kelly wrote:
Please make life easy for everyone and tell us what that response is when you post.

For instance, I could post "Yesterday I ate half a cheesecake.  Now I am wondering if that was a good idea?  Please respond and tell me that it was OK to eat that.  If you think it was not a good idea, please don't say anything at all."

See, if I told you what I was looking for, you could either give it to me or just not reply at all.  Then I wouldn't have to get mad at you for telling me follow my doctor's guidelines or call my therapist.  And you wouldn't have to waste your time trying to give me help that I didn't want.
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Cleopatra_Nik
on 3/8/12 1:13 am - Baltimore, MD
Fortunately for many folks on this board (from my perspective) I don't give a (BLEEP) what you WANT to hear. If you're being self-destructive and I feel compelled to tell you so, I will. You can get mad at me. My grandmother told me that nobody in this world is meant to be liked by everybody. She also used to say "But right is right."

The thing about it is that newbie backlash often makes me not even want to bother. You wanna be self-destructive? Fine! You want to do what you want to do? Fine! What do I know? I've only been living this a few years, after all.

But then I think that's the nature of the beast with public forums. My personal responsibility is to myself, first and foremost. Much as I love you all, I am not putting myself into a position where I am losing any sleep over what you've said to me. So if I feel like the person won't benefit from or appreciate my input, I usually just don't offer it. And in the end, I truly feel like it's their loss.
EthelMae
on 3/8/12 1:34 am - MD
But you'll hurt my little, sensitive feelings telling me the truth. 

~Barb
Highest - 279 (08/2009)     Program Weight - 256 (03/10)  Surgery Weight - 232 (05/24/11)     

    

poet_kelly
on 3/8/12 1:38 am - OH
Yeah.  So you could post, "Please do not tell me the truth about my cheesecake eating and wine drinking, because that will hurt my feelings."  Then I would know that I should either lie to you or just move on.

View more of my photos at ObesityHelp.com          Kelly

Please note: I AM NOT A DOCTOR.  If you want medical advice, talk to your doctor.  Whatever I post, there is probably some surgeon or other health care provider somewhere that disagrees with me.  If you want to know what your surgeon thinks, then ask him or her.    Check out my blog.

 

WhoIWantToBe *.
on 3/8/12 1:43 am
RNY on 01/10/12
I haven't seen the post in question, but may I just say that it's possible to give information, even firmly, without making fun of or ridiculing the person asking for it?

If someone asks, "Can I have XYZ two weeks post-op?" and the response is "WHY would you want to eat XYZ?!?" that's less than helpful. It makes the person feel like an idiot and doesn't give them the answer they needed.  A more helpful response might have been, "It's way to soon to eat XYZ.  It might do ABC to you."  Firm, informative, but not ridiculing.

And if someone says, "My doctor (or nut) says it's OK to eat XYZ at two weeks post-op," a response saying, "Stop passing bad information!  You can't eat XYZ at two weeks post-op and you should know it!" is also less than helpful.  A more helpful response might be, "Your doctor may approve it, but most doctors don't because it could do ABC to you."  Again, informative, firm, but without insulting the person.

Hostility is not necessary.  Information is.

  - Barb, who is at GOOOOOOAAAAAAL!
 
                                     HW: 274  SW: 244  GW: 137 CW: 137!
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EthelMae
on 3/8/12 1:57 am - MD
What you are saying makes sense, but there have been posters who claim to be 2 days out and want to eat t-bones and drink beer. 

How would you firmly respond to that one? 

~Barb
Highest - 279 (08/2009)     Program Weight - 256 (03/10)  Surgery Weight - 232 (05/24/11)     

    

WhoIWantToBe *.
on 3/8/12 2:33 am
RNY on 01/10/12
 "It's not safe to eat T-bones and drink beer at 2 days out!  You should double-check your doctor's nutrition plan and stick with it."

  - Barb, who is at GOOOOOOAAAAAAL!
 
                                     HW: 274  SW: 244  GW: 137 CW: 137!
              Keep on swimming!  Keep on swimming! 
          

Cleopatra_Nik
on 3/8/12 2:13 am - Baltimore, MD
 Welllll...seee....I think it CAN be helpful if framed correctly.

Take the case of post-ops who find they can eat a lot. Yes...but are eating because you are hungry?" Or because you CAN? In that context, I think the "why do want to eat that?" is perfectly valid. It forces you to examine your tool and figure out if maybe your expectations of your surgery aren't panning out the way you thought. 

Just my two cents. 

RNY Gastric Bypass 1-8-08 350/327/200 (HW/SW/CW). I spend most of my time playing with my food over at Bariatric Foodie - check me out!

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