yum yum, cappucino soy milk!

I went grocery shopping a couple days ago and was planning to buy some plain soy  milk to try.  Well, I saw they had cappucino flavored soy milk.  I thought that sounded good so I bought some.  OMG, it is delicious!  You know what it really reminds me of?  Those Starbucks frappucino things you can buy in glass bottles at the grocery store.  Starbucks has a light mocha flavored one that is really good and is low enough in sugar that I don't dump on it, but they are 100 calories and almost no protein so I almost never buy them.

But that is what this cappucino soy milk reminds me of.  And it is only 70 calories and no sugar for eight ounces, and has seven grams of protein.  I am so excited!

OMG!  That sounds amazing!  I have never seen cappucino soy milk.. did you find it at a Whole Foods type store?  (I usually shop at Safeway). 

At Kroger.  The brand is Soy Slender.  I've had plain soy milk before but not for a long time but I don't think I liked it that much when I had it.  But I wanted to try it again and I figured if I did like it plain I'd play with it and maybe make a protein shake or something.  But this is so good.  I don't think I would know it was soy milk if I didn't already know that.  Did that make sense?  I mean, I've never seen cappucino flavor skim milk in the store, but this tastes about like I would think that would taste if there was such a thing.

Just curious, but I have been told by my nut and I have read a lot that says RNY patients should avoid soy protein because it helps block even more absorption which is what we don't want to do. Should we really be drinking soy then?  For me it doesn't really matter since I can't stand the taste of soy milk (bean curd water).

I've never heard that soy protein helps black the absorption of anything.  Your nut seems to have a lot of opinions that are pretty different from my opinions.  I am not saying she is wrong, I'm just saying if that is true, this is the first time I've ever heard of it.  Do you know how or why it would block absorption?  And absorption of what?  Like calcium blocks the absorption of iron, and I understand how it does that, but how would soy block the absorption of something and what nutrients is it blocking specifically?

One thing I do know is that I don't eat meat, haven't eaten a bite of it in about 25 years, and when I had labs done a couple months ago, they showed that I am definitely absorbing plenty of the protein I eat.  My total protein level, my albumin and my prealbumin were all at the upper end of the normal range.  Now, I have not been relying on soy milk for protein, and I do eat a fair amount of dairy and beans, but I also eat soy products and if I didn't count that protein in my total protein grams for the day, I would be getting a good bit less than the 70 grams I normally get.  So I think that means that either I am absorbing the soy protein OR it means I am getting way more protein than I really need.

Or are you saying that soy protein blocks other stuff like vitamins, not that we don't absorb the protein?  I'm not sure.  My labs do show that with the proper supplements, I am absorbing my vitamins and minerals.  I watch my labs really carefully.

Anyway, I hope you can tell me more about this because I am in the process of cutting dairy out of my diet and am trying to find replacements for the dairy foods I've been eating and/or other places to get my protein from.  If eating soy turns out to be a bad idea for me, I'm not sure what I would do.  I guess I'd be eating a LOT of beans and while I really do like beans, I don't want them for breakfast, lunch and dinner every day!

My nut isn't the only one saying that.  Even in the orientation at the hospital that warned us about soy protein blocking the abosorption of several vitamins and to avoid it if possible.  They only recommended it if you were lactose intolerant, but soy intolerance is more common than lactose intolerance.  I'm sure that my nut and you have a difference of opinion on a lot of things as evidenced on this site.  But with their success rate being one of the highest in the US, I think I'll go with what they are doing and not a non-medical analysis of the foods and nutrients we should consume.  Look at the WLS studies on the Duke site and some on the Mayo Clinic sites.  They also talk about the need to increase supplements if you consume mainly or a significant amount soy protein and not just soy milk.  But you have to love the name soy milk since it really has nothing to do with milk.  lol  I still think it tastes a lot worse than the whey protein drinks.

You didn't answer my questions about how soy blocks the absorption of vitamins and which vitamins it blocks.  That's OK, I'll go do a little research and see what I can find.

It's perfectly fine if you want to go along with your nut and your hospital.  I'm not suggesting anyone should go along with a non-medical analysis of the foods and nutrients we need, unless of course some non-medical factors are important to them as they are to me.  I'm not suggesting that soy milk meets our nutritional needs better than dairy foods, but if I decide dairy products are not an appropriate thing for me to eat, then I will be using some alternatives, whether that means skim milk or something else.

Uh, yes I did.  I said nutirients as in vitamins and supplements.  From what I read I think on the Duke study, it lowered calcium and vitamin C but I don't recall how much.  I also never said you specifically shouldn't have soy, but I also wanted to point out that it has issues as well.  Maybe you and i should avoid replying to other's posts.  You seem to have a lot to say about anything I write for some reason.  It suffices to say that our approach to WLS is totally different and we'll never agree on most issues.

Perhaps my question was unclear.  I was asking which vitamins, such as vitamin A, or vitamin D, or whatever.

You seem to have a lot to say about anything I write as well.  You are free to avoid replying to my posts if you wish.  OH also provides a way to block certain members if you wish.

You say a number of things that I've never heard from my dietician, my surgeon, my support group, or friends that have had WLS and never read in the ASMBS material I've read carefully or in other places where I've read information about nutrition, so I am usually curious about where your information is coming from.  I like to understand where information is coming from so I can evaluate it to decide if I should make changes in my diet or supplements.  I think I can probably assume that, in the future, if you post something it most likely comes from your nut or your hospital or your doctor.  I probably don't need to ask. 

Enjoy your arrogance.  I think I will block posts from you.  You seem to think you know more than medical professionals from all over this part of the country anyway.