Proximal RNY to Distal RNY (Xpost)
unfortunately distal can also mean "the further one".
The distal end of my house is much warmer than the proximal end where I am sitting and freezing my booty off.
Michelle
RNY, distal, 10/5/94
P.S. My year + long absence has NOTHING to do with my WLS, or my type of WLS. See my profile.
Here is a copy & paste of this link:
http://www.lapsf.com/weight-loss-surgeries.html
Pictures always help me!!!
Hope that helps!!!!
-Jamie
Surgery Comparison Chart
Modality of Weight Loss |
Restrictive and Malabsorptive (stomach and intestines) |
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Type of Operation | Roux-en-Y Gastric Bypass (RNY, RGB) | Vertical Gastrectomy with Duodenal Switch(DS) | Vertical Gastrectomy (VG) | Lap-Band®(LAGB) |
Anatomy | Small 1 ounce pouch (20-30cc) connected to the small intestine.Food and digestive juices are separated for 3-5 feet. | Long vertical pouch measuring about 4-5 oz (120-150cc). The duodenum (first portion of the small intestine) is connected to the last 6 feet of small intestine.Food and digestive juices are separated for more than 12 feet. | Long narrow vertical pouch measuring 2-3 oz (60-100cc). Identical to the duodenal switch pouch but smaller. No intestinal bypass performed. | An adjustable silicone ring (band) is placed around the top part of the stomach creating a small 1-2 ounce (15-30cc) pouch. |
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Long Term Dietary Modification (Excessive carbohydrate/high calorie intake will defeat all procedures) |
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Hospital Stay | 2-3 days | 3-4 days | 1-2 days | Overnight (<1 day) |
Time off Work | 2-3 weeks | 2-3 weeks | 1-2 weeks | 1 week |
Operating Time | 2 hours | 3 hours | 1.5 hours | 1 hour |
Our Recommendation | Most effective for patients with a BMI of 35-55 kg/m2 and those with a "sweet-tooth". Virtually all insurance companies will authorize this procedure. | Best for patients with a BMI of > 50 kg/m2. Those with BMI of <45 kg/m2 may lose too much weight. Higher overall incidence of complications than other procedures. Most insurance companies will NOT authorize this procedure. | Utilized for high risk or very heavy (BMI > 60 kg/m2) patients as a "first-stage" procedure. Very low complication rate due to quicker OR time and no intestinal bypass performed. Insurance companies will authorize this procedure in select patients. | Best for patients who enjoy participating in an exercise program and are more disciplined in following dietary restrictions. Many insurance companies will NOT authorize this procedure. |
RNY 2/26/2002 DS 12/29/2011
HW 317 SW 263 BMI 45.1
SW 298 CW 192 BMI 32.9~60% EWL
LW 151 in 2003
TT 4/9/2003
Normal BMI 24.8 is my GOAL!!!
GBP (RNY) 2/26/02 298 lbs, TT 4/9/03 151 lbs, DS 12/29/11
HW 317 SW 263 BMI 45.1/CW 192 BMI 32.9/GW 145 ~ Normal BMI 24.8
**Revision Journey started 3/2009 Approved 12/12/11**
on 12/4/09 6:44 am - MI
Has anyone here revised their proximal RNY to a distal? And if so, how did it go? What did your doc say about scar tissue, complications, and common side effects? I am just wondering if I am getting similar info from my doc. I really do trust and like my surgeon. I guess I just want to back it up. I have done a lot of reading on a lot of different sites and believe I have a pretty good idea what to expect. But, a little more first-hand knowledge and experience could never hurt!!!
Thanks in advance for your time!
Many blessings...
I had a revision to an ERNY from a 2001 proximal RNY. My doc removed quite a bit of scar tissue, fixed a couple of bowel obstructions and cleaned up some adhesions. He left me with a Common Channel of 75 cm. I chose the ERNY over the DS because I was not comfortable with the elevated risk that the take down of the pouch and convert to the DS stomach had. I also only had about 60 lbs to loose.
As far as the surgery went, I have had no complications to speak of. It was actually one of the easiest recovery times I had from any of the 6 abdominal surgeries I have had. It was performed open. I had my revision in Oct. 2008 and am at my personal goal weight of 125. I reached my goal about ~4 yo 5 months ago. For me the decision for the ERNY has been a good one.
The points I do struggle with is the elevated amount of vitamins I have to take and keeping my protein levels up. This is mandatory and not an option so you need to keep this in mind whether you go for a more distal or a DS. Like the other posters, I would not recommend any common channel length under the 100 cm point.
Good luck to you. Let us know how your journey progresses!
I am so glad you wrote... I was wondering about the scar tissue. It's good to know they can clean that up! Isn't that funny that you had the same amount to lose... and, congratulations to you!!!
I did a lot of posting yesterday because I started to get scared about the procedure. A lot of responses that I got swayed me to back off the idea... but, this morning I woke up and my head was right back where it started... distal revision.
I am happy to know yours went smoothly, and especially since you have had 6 surgeries already!!! I have had RNY, 2 hernia repairs, Lap Band, and a spinal fusion that they entered through my lower belly, too. WoW!!! That's 5 for me!!! Never really thought about that... I just knew there is scar tissue to contend with... but, you are good so that means a lot!!!
I decided against the DS for the very same reason. Plus, the surgeon in my area requires a BMI over 50, which mine is not. Besides, my surgeon said that this revision would pretty much have the same results without all of the extra risk.
Thanks, again, for your reply!!! I am very happy that you are doing well... it's just so funny that we both have such similar cir****tances!!! I'd love to follow your posts... so, if you'd like please add me as a friend!!!
Many blessings...
The nutritional requirements for distal RNY, long limb RNY or ERNY are more stringent than those of the DS patients. The length of the bowel for the common channel does play a role on the short end. The shorter the common channel the better the weight loss, the worst the diarrhea and the nutritional deficiencies (vitamin, minerals and protein) The longer the common channel the worst the weight loss, the less diarrhea, and the less incidence and severe the nutritional deficiencies.
I do not recommend any distal bypass because of its significant nutritional deficiencies that it has.
I was laso asked about the Distal RNY and DS. from another post. After reading the post I got so confused that I had to sit down and write about it.
The link is attached:
http://www.dssurgery.com/newsletters/dec-5-09.pdf
Hope this helps
Ara
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You for this awsome and informative information!!!!!!!
-Jamie
RNY 2/26/2002 DS 12/29/2011
HW 317 SW 263 BMI 45.1
SW 298 CW 192 BMI 32.9~60% EWL
LW 151 in 2003
TT 4/9/2003
Normal BMI 24.8 is my GOAL!!!
GBP (RNY) 2/26/02 298 lbs, TT 4/9/03 151 lbs, DS 12/29/11
HW 317 SW 263 BMI 45.1/CW 192 BMI 32.9/GW 145 ~ Normal BMI 24.8
**Revision Journey started 3/2009 Approved 12/12/11**