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StacieB
on 2/15/07 5:03 am - Portland, OR
Topic: RE: Bush Won't Pull Troops in Iraq
I'm on my way out to the gym. If you aren't being sarcastic I'd love to share the articles I've read about this. PM me about it. It's more complicated than what I feel like writing on this board; I wrote my mini novel on an earlier post and I'm still exhausted from it! lol I'm honestly surprised I'm even wasting my time here... it feels like deaf ears most of the time. None of us seem to want to change our minds... just spout out our opinions, myself included. I see very few questions as to what and why people have these opinions, and I really rather try and stick to that. It's really hard for me to read some of this stuff and be so personally touched and involved by/with it, and not respond. I don't imagine I will participate on this board much longer... it's pretty ugly and makes me feel pretty ugly.
NoSurrender
on 2/15/07 4:57 am - Oxford, MA
Topic: RE: Bush Won't Pull Troops in Iraq
The muslims in question absolutely hated Americans long before GWB-- because we (namely Ronald Reagan and GHWB) were arming the Sunnis in Iraq against them.
StacieB
on 2/15/07 4:54 am - Portland, OR
Topic: RE: Bush Won't Pull Troops in Iraq
"So we are supposed to sit idly by while a country is being raped by their dictator?? I freakin think NOT!!" Why save the people of Iraq over those in say, Tibet or Darfur? This is not a rhetorical question; I honestly want to know what sound information you base your statement on. If we want to compare the quality of life in different countries, there are people suffering far more than the Iraqi's .... well until we came in, now they're suffering as bad as most of the worst are. Now they are somewhere around 600,000 people less in population, and those who are alive live largely without basic necessities. The argument that says we're going in to help the innocent Iraqi people is so misguided. Here are some numbers I find astounding. Iraq's population is roughly 25 million. This is roughly the population of Texas. Now imagine if 600,000 people died in the state of Texas over the past 5 or so years, and the ones that were left were living in the conditions the people of New Orleans lived in for the first year after Katrina. "Shame on you for your utter disregard for their job!!" Please don't make statements like this. I am a military spouse and the daughter of a Vietnam vet who who went over 3 times and sustained permanent injuries over there. My father in law was also in Vietnam, and was shot through the neck which also, obviously, has permanent repercussions. My grandfather also served in the military, as did my brother, my uncles, and many of my friends. There are a lot of people who don't agree with this administrations decisions; this does not mean they (or in my case, we) have "utter disregard" for our jobs.
NoSurrender
on 2/15/07 4:54 am - Oxford, MA
Topic: RE: Bush Won't Pull Troops in Iraq
"...Starting in 1995, Clinton took actions against terrorism that were unprecedented in American history. He poured billions and billions of dollars into counterterrorism activities across the entire spectrum of the intelligence community. He poured billions more into the protection of critical infrastructure. He ordered massive federal stockpiling of antidotes and vaccines to prepare for a possible bioterror attack. He order a reorganization of the intelligence community itself, ramming through reforms and new procedures to address the demonstrable threat. Within the National Security Council, "threat meetings" were held three times a week to assess looming conspiracies. His National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, prepared a voluminous dossier on al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, actively tracking them across the planet. Clinton raised the issue of terrorism in virtually every important speech he gave in the last three years of his tenure. In 1996, Clinton delivered a major address to the United Nations on the matter of international terrorism, calling it "The enemy of our generation." Behind the scenes, he leaned vigorously on the leaders of nations within the terrorist sphere. In particular, he pushed Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to assist him in dealing with the threat from neighboring Afghanistan and its favorite guest, Osama bin Laden. Before Sharif could be compelled to act, he was thrown out of office by his own army. His replacement, Pervez Musharraf, pointedly refused to do anything to assist Clinton in dealing with these threats. Despite these and other diplomatic setbacks, terrorist cell after terrorist cell were destroyed across the world, and bomb plots against American embassies were thwarted. Because of security concerns, these victories were never revealed to the American people until very recently. In America, few people heard anything about this. Clinton's dire public warnings about the threat posed by terrorism, and the massive non-secret actions taken to thwart it, went completely unreported by the media, which was far more concerned with stained dresses and baseless Drudge Report rumors. When the administration did act militarily against bin Laden and his terrorist network, the actions were dismissed by partisans within the media and Congress as scandalous "wag the dog" tactics. The TV networks actually broadcast clips of the movie "Wag The Dog" to accentuate the idea that everything the administration was doing was contrived fakery. " truthout.org/docs_03/101303A.shtml (you'll need to add the "www" to get to the site)
Bridget P.
on 2/15/07 4:35 am - Leechburg, PA
Topic: RE: Bush Won't Pull Troops in Iraq
Cassandra, I appreciate you bringing up these points about the Clinton administration. They are very true. You are also correct in stating that many Muslims hated the US long before George Bush came into power. Islamic extremist will die without question for what they believe in.... unfortunately, they believe that the US is full of infidels that are weak and deserve to die. Thank you again for posting this information, you make a very valid point. Bridget
Jess
on 2/15/07 4:30 am - W St. Paul, MN
Angelbaja72
on 2/15/07 4:25 am - Poca, WV
Topic: RE: Bush Won't Pull Troops in Iraq
No Surrender I saw your post abt the region we are in and I would love to reply but I have to go back to work. My lunch time is up, perhaps later.
Cassandra W.
on 2/15/07 4:18 am - West, TX
NoSurrender
on 2/15/07 4:15 am - Oxford, MA
Topic: RE: THE AUDACITY OF HOPE
I haven't read it. Maybe I will if he gets the nomination.
NoSurrender
on 2/15/07 4:15 am - Oxford, MA
Topic: RE: Bush Won't Pull Troops in Iraq
Believe it or not, the exit polls from November's (2006) election did not show that the Iraq invasion was the #1 issue among voters. The number 1 issue of people going to the polls in November of 2006 was "corruption." Iraq came in second place.
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