Bottle of wine :)

THE  BOTTLE OF WINE For  all of us who are married, were married, wish you were married, or wish you  weren't married, this is something to smile about the next time you see a bottle of wine: Sally was driving home from one of her business trips in Northern Arizona when she saw an elderly Navajo woman walking on the side of the road. As the trip was a long and quiet one, she stopped the car and asked the Navajo woman if she would like A  ride. With a silent nod of thanks, the woman got into the car. Resuming the journey, Sally tried in vain to make a bit of small  talk with the Navajo woman.  The old woman just sat silently, looking I ntently at everything she saw, studying every little detail, until she noticed a brown bag on the seat next to Sally. 'What in bag?' asked the old woman. Sally looked down at the brown bag and said, 'It's a  bottle of wine..  I got it for my husband.' The Navajo woman was silent  for another moment or two.  Then speaking with the quiet wisdom of an Elder, She said: 'Good trade . . . . . '

Gee,

It seems as though you failed to type the verb in your sentence: What in bag.  It should have been written with: What is in the bag.  Or, perhaps you failed to type the verb because you are portraying Native Americans as lacking Standard American English skills, which has been done in the past as a way to make fun of the way Native Americans back in the olden days may have talked.  

I am Native American, my grandmother was 100% Native American and I don't ever recall my grandmother nor her sisters ever speaking without using verbs.  Also, I am a member of the Cherokee Nation and spend a lot of time among Cherokee elders and they all speak with full verb usage.  

While I do keep my mouth shut about a lot of crap that some of you guys post, I have to stand my ground on insisting that racism not be practiced on the board.  This is a public forum and as such, all races of people enter here and to find racism being used insults me and my people.  

I realize that there will be those who speak up and say, but I'm also 1-600th of Native American and it doesn't bother me for people to tell jokes in which Native Americans are portrayed as linguistically inept or as socially or morally inferrior.  And while these people speak out about it not bothering them, it does bother me.  No person should be allowed to use this board to practice social or racial exclusion by using racists rants, racists jokes, either overtly or symbolically. 

I really wish you would delete this joke.

thank you 

 Lighten up.  Shirley probably copied and pasted the joke.  You are taking this too personally.  We are a loving, caring group, and you should consider that the joke was probably copied and pasted into the site.  

Trish

I too am part Native American.  My great  grandmother left the reservation she grew up on and learned English at age20+ when she married my great grandfather.   
She spoke like that.  Its how she communicated.  We that loved her dearly understood her.  Those that didn't know her, we translated if need be.

Thanks for the Joke   I enjoyed the giggle!

 By the way, this was not a racist joke at all.  Many people that are not native English speakers drop words in their sentences.  I taught many students who were of immingrant status and they did not know English until they came to my school and were taught English as a Second Language.  Not one of my students were Native American, yet they spoke broken English for a while.  

Also, if you consider the stuff we post on this board crap, as you put it, then you are free to not read what we post.  I do not go to certain forums for that very reason.  

Finally, if you are going to go on a rant and attack someone here, at least do the courtesy of signing your name.  Hiding behind anonymity shows a huge lack of character.

Trish

Racism has no part on this forum.  I took the joke to a friend of mine who is a Cultural Studies Professor at my University and she said, it is racists and in poor taste.  

 

 As I said previously, it is not racist.  I have a Masters in Social Work, and can spot racism a mile away.  It could have been any type of woman the driver picked up.

Again, if you think our posts are crap, don't come here.  And, the joke was not about the Navajo woman speaking broken Engli**** was about trading the husband for a bottle of wine.

Trish

Patricia,

Let me just let you know now right up front that not you nor anyone else will tell me when and where I can come and post.  And the problem isn't that I object; the problem is the joke is racists and this forum is a public forum, catering to all--even Native Americans.  I realize that most people who are racists don't realize that there are those of us who do not like having this crap thrown in our faces.  Furthermore, the point of a public forum is a place where we can all come to and be assured that we are not going to be exposed to racism, misogyny, or any other form of ignorance and hate.  

The joke is racists.  It paints Native Americans as the following: 1) Unable to speak English.  What the narrator of the joke has the Native American Woman speak is not the way Native Americans speak.  All languages (even Native American) have subjects and verb forms and one of the reasons that the Long Ranger was critiqued so harsly was that they had Tonto who spoke without Verbs: me go too.  I not see?  That kind of dialogue does nothing to further incusions and understanding. 2) The native American woman in the joke easily sees another human's value as that of a bottle of whine.  Now, you may, in all your vast wisdom and social work learning remember that Native Americans were also paired with drinking to the point that even today there are reminders about the negative portrayal of Native Americans in post cards, comic books, and in literature that began in the 18th century and, in some form, continues today.  We Native Americans who can try to educate the public that racism in jokes, not matter how benign, cannot be tolerated.  I will take this to the moderator if you do not remove the joke.

 Lightswitch,
I did not post the joke, so it is impossible for me to remove it. 

As I have stated before, the joke could have been about an immigrant, or any other speaker of broken English.  Not every Native American speaks perfect English.  As Jo has already stated, her great grandmother spoke the way the Native American woman in the joke spoke.

As for the bottle of wine, it could have been a loaf of bread.  It was not about alcohol, it was about the relationship between husbands and wives.

I am not telling you what forums you can, or can't peruse.  I am telling you that in your first reply, you referred to the posts we share as crap.  I feel that way about the Main Forum, so I refuse to go there.  

Once again, you are being hypersensitive and personalizing this joke, and taking it all out of context.  It is not about racist or alcoholic stereotypes, it is about the relationship between men and women.  

Finally, I previously asked you to give me the courtesy of signing your name, yet you refuse to do that.  The lack of respect you show us insisting you remain anonymous lowers your standing in my esteem.

Trish Reilly

My name is Jeannie and I've been on this forum for a long time and all the old timers know me.  I am not being hypersensitive but I am taking this personal.  I am Native American and live on the Ark/Ok boarder and am very familiar with how racism works.  

I do not have to validate to you or anyone else anything about me.  I care not whether I have any standing in your eyes or not and whether or not I have standing does not negate my right to come to forum without racism and the obesity board will agree.