Morning Sickness (no not that kind)

Since I've been on the Weigh****chers plan for the past month I've been waking up fairly ill with flu like symptoms (past few days I've been conparing it to waking up with a hangover)

Well this morning I realized that yesterday I drank about 288 oz of water at work.  When I get home at night I'm awful with drinking water... figure I've drank enough at work.  I would imagine the abrupt loss of water at night is causing the dehydration?

Has anyone had this happen to them?  Not the whole insane amount of water... but waking up hungover/dehydrated due to an extreme change in water consumption.

Normally I'm not  a hefty water drinker, but with WW I have to check off at least 8 glasses of water a day.  I tend to use it as a crutch too... feeling hungry drink some water.  

288 oz of water?! I hope that is a typo... If not, u r drinking WAY too much water. Keep it to 8 8oz glasses = 64 oz. It isnt healthy to comsume the amount u r drinking, it is actually quite dangerous. Try gum perhaps?

I'm still pre-op and weigh 450lbs
I've been drinking anywhere from 144-288 oz of water a day.  (I have a 72 oz jug I carry around and I usually fill it 2-4 times a day)

I read that in order to help loose weight you should take your weight , divide by 2 and drink that many ounces.

gum does nothing for me.. I end up swallowing it :-(

Tony, just wanted u to read. U really concerned me. Take care of yourself and dont over do it! Thinking of you,
MIchelle


Liquid H₂O is the sine qua non of life. Making up about 66 percent of the human body, water runs through the blood, inhabits the cells, and lurks in the spaces between. At every momen****er escapes the body through sweat, urination, defecation or exhaled breath, among other routes. Replacing these lost stores is essential but rehydration can be overdone. There is such a thing as a fatal water overdose.

Earlier this year, a 28-year-old California woman died after competing in a radio station's on-air water-drinking contest. After downing some six liters of water in three hours in the "Hold Your Wee for a Wii" (Nintendo game console) contest, Jennifer Strange vomited, went home with a splitting headache, and died from so-called water intoxication.

There are many other tragic examples of death by water. In 2005 a fraternity hazing at California State University, Chico, left a 21-year-old man dead after he was forced to drink excessive amounts of water between rounds of push-ups in a cold basement. Club-goers taking MDMA ("ecstasy") have died after consuming copious amounts of water trying to rehydrate following long nights of dancing and sweating. Going overboard in attempts to rehydrate is also common among endurance athletes. A 2005 study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that close to one sixth of marathon runners develop some degree of hyponatremia, or dilution of the blood caused by drinking too much water.

Hyponatremia, a word cobbled together from Latin and Greek roots, translates as "insufficient salt in the blood." Quantitatively speaking, it means having a blood sodium concentration below 135 millimoles per liter, or approximately 0.4 ounces per gallon, the normal concentration lying somewhere between 135 and 145 millimoles per liter. Severe cases of hyponatremia can lead to water intoxication, an illness whose symptoms include headache, fatigue, nausea, vomiting, frequent urination and mental disorientation.

In humans the kidneys control the amount of water, salts and other solutes leaving the body by sieving blood through their millions of twisted tubules. When a person drinks too much water in a short period of time, the kidneys cannot flu**** out fast enough and the blood becomes waterlogged. Drawn to regions where the concentration of salt and other dissolved substances is higher, excess water leaves the blood and ultimately enters the cells, which swell like balloons to accommodate it.

Most cells have room to stretch because they are embedded in flexible tissues such as fat and muscle, but this is not the case for neurons. Brain cells are tightly packaged inside a rigid boney cage, the skull, and they have to share this space with blood and cerebrospinal fluid, explains Wolfgang Liedtke, a clinical neuroscientist at Duke University Medical Center. "Inside the skull there is almost zero room to expand and swell," he says.

Thus, brain edema, or swelling, can be disastrous. "Rapid and severe hyponatremia causes entry of water into brain cells leading to brain swelling, which manifests as seizures, coma, respiratory arrest, brain stem herniation and death," explains M. Amin Arnaout, chief of nephrology at Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School.

Where did people get the idea that guzzling enormous quantities of water is healthful? A few years ago Heinz Valtin, a kidney specialist from Dartmouth Medical School, decided to determine if the common advice to drink eight, eight-ounce glasses of water per day could hold up to scientific scrutiny. After scouring the peer-reviewed literature, Valtin concluded that no scientific studies support the "eight x eight" dictum (for healthy adults living in temperate climates and doing mild exercise). In fact, drinking this much or more "could be harmful, both in precipitating potentially dangerous hyponatremia and exposure to pollutants, and also in making many people feel guilty for not drinking enough," he wrote in his 2002 review for the American Journal of Physiology—Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative Physiology. And since he published his findings, Valtin says, "not a single scientific report published in a peer-reviewed publication has proven the contrary."

Most cases of water poisoning do not result from simply drinking too much water, says Joseph Verbalis, chairman of medicine at Georgetown University Medical Center. It is usually a combination of excessive fluid intake and increased secretion of vasopression (also called antidiuretic hormone), he explains. Produced by the hypothalamus and secreted into the bloodstream by the posterior pituitary gland, vasopressin instructs the kidneys to conserve water. Its secretion increases in periods of physical stress—during a marathon, for example—and may cause the body to conserve water even if a person is drinking excessive quantities.

Every hour, a healthy kidney at rest can excrete 800 to 1,000 milliliters, or 0.21 to 0.26 gallon, of water and therefore a person can drink water at a rate of 800 to 1,000 milliliters per hour without experiencing a net gain in water, Verbalis explains. If that same person is running a marathon, however, the stress of the situation will increase vasopressin levels, reducing the kidney's excretion capacity to as low as 100 milliliters per hour. Drinking 800 to 1,000 milliliters of water per hour under these conditions can potentially lead a net gain in water, even with considerable sweating, he says.

While exercising, "you should balance what you're drinking with what you're sweating," and that includes sports drinks, which can also cause hyponatremia when consumed in excess, Verbalis advises. "If you're sweating 500 milliliters per hour, that is what you should be drinking."

But measuring sweat output is not easy. How can a marathon runner, or any person, determine how much water to consume? As long as you are healthy and equipped with a thirst barometer unimpaired by old age or mind-altering drugs, follow Verbalis's advice, "drink to your thirst. It's the best indicator."

lol now we have this huge debate going on at work.  A lady who sits near me drinks about 2 gallons of water a day as well per her trainer/nutritionist. 

but yeah... after reading that article maybe cutting back the water is a good idea.  I see my doctor in a few weeks for my 2 month diet check up.  I'm sure I told her last visit how much water I was drinking.    It's not like I'm having to force the water down or anything.  I'm just constantly drinking through out the day.

Yeah, I would ask your doctor about that large an amount of water!  When they make up those "formulas", they usually do it with "normal"-sized people in mind.

I'm not sure that you're waking up dehydrated, though.  You may be waking up feeling bad because your body is working too hard at night to finish "processing" all the water you drank during the day.  Just a thought since I sometimes feel weird in the morning if I drink too much water right before bed.

Lora

Tony, I am doing WW also and they will be the first to tell you that too much water is as bad as not enough.  The woman that sits next to you is drinking that much on orders from "her trainer".  Does this mean she is really fit and muscular?  I know you are heavy, but I started out at 371 my first weigh in and never did WW tell me to drink more than 8-8oz glasses a day.  I would suggest buying a smaller water container, perhaps 32 oz.  I have 2 of those that I keep at work and rotate in/out of the fridge so I always have cold water at work.  Absolutely talk to your doctor.  If he is open for questions, call tomorrow and leave a message for him.  Are you dealing with a nutritionist, too?  If so, ask their opinion.  Either way, I don't think you're dehydrated, even by stopping with the water intake in the evening.  Unless you are sweating like crazy or standing over the toilet constantly weeing, your body is plenty hydrated (in my opinion).
Martha

I did a google search to make sure I wasnt crazy and didnt read the water formula wrong

Here's one of the many articles I found regarding tha****er formula of taking your weight, dividing it by 2 and then drinking that many ounces.   Apparently it came from the Mayo Clinic but I can't get it to come up on the actual Mayo clinic site.

This one is from Prevention Magazine and talks about that formula.   I guess I just took it and ran.    I've also virtually given up soda and juice so water is the only thing I really drink (minus a glass of milk with dinner and my morning boost shake)


http://www.prevention.com/cda/article/biggest-loser-fitness- drinking-water/3f1a0b233c126110VgnVCM20000012281eac____/weig ht.loss/diets/biggest.loser/biggest.loser.tips.tools

Again, though, when they make up those generic formulas, they do it with "normal"-sized people in mind, and it can be dangerous to use them blindly when you are not a "normal-sized" person.  Please check with your doctor, ok?  I would hate for you to do damage to your kidneys or something.

Lora