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Finsternis
on 1/17/18 4:02 pm - NH
Topic: RE: Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?
On January 17, 2018 at 11:35 PM Pacific Time, Gwen M. wrote:

Points of your ignorance:

1: Lifestyle change is a frequent topic of discussion on OH.

2: Surgery is a great way to lose weight.

3: Weight can easily be regained after any method of weight loss and studies show those with bariatric and metabolic surgery have lower rates of regain.

4: Not all surgeries "reroute guts."

5: Obesity's often complications are permanent as well - like death, for instance.

6: What is normal eating? Eating in the ways that got a person to obesity? Most of us eat normally - it's just a new, healthier normal.

7: For that matter, how is fasting "normal eating?" Or any other fad diet you've tried or will try?

8: There are also hundreds of studies (and videos) about the benefits of bariatric and metabolic surgery.

Points of your ignorance:

1) I've been looking and looking and looking around these forums (the very few that are not already devoted 100% to surgery) for hours and have found maybe 2% are about things that are NOT related to surgery in some way. There are nutritional posts, yes, but they are all related to pre-op and post-op eating.

2) Whether surgery is a great way to lose wight is 100% a matter of opinion, so don't pretend it isn't I have a very different opinion than you do.

3) They have lower rates of regain because people literally CANNOT eat more. And that starts to fade over time for most people as the stomach stretches out again.

4) Well, banding does not reroute guts, but most surgery does, and banding is only for people who have to lose relative small amounts of weight. Really big people are not candidates.

5) We agree that obesity is very unhealthy!

7) Wow, you are really showing your ignorance here, and making me laugh. Fasting is normal eating because it's the way evolution made us. Do you think our ancestors had access to fast food, grocery stores, and convenience stores? Of course not. We evolved by going through frequent periods of fasting -0 that's why our bodies store fat at all, to use when times are lean and no food is available. What's NOT normal is eating 3 meals a day! Fasting has 100% of the benefits of surgery with none of the drawbacks - and it's free and simple. Nor does it necessarily involve easting nothing for months at a time. Some people just do it every other day. Finally, how could fasting be a "fad" when it's been around for as long as humans have? Millions and millions of people to this day do it constantly.

8) There are also hundreds of horror stories about complications from surgery and people regaining all the weight. Yes, bariatric surgery works sometimes for some people, and when it works, it does good things. But you can get the same benefits without having yourself cut open. I get ALL the same benefits, but I didn't have my guts rearranged. Do some research.

Gwen M.
on 1/17/18 3:54 pm
VSG on 03/13/14
Topic: RE: Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?

Your ignorance is showing again.

1: Not all surgeries "reroute guts."

2: Any lifetime weight maintenance requires a "highly controlled diet" for life (that's part of the lifestyle change thing that you whined about?)

3: Remaining obese has significant complications.

4: Very few people in OH were "duped."

VSG with Dr. Salameh - 3/13/2014
Diagnosed with Binge Eating Disorder and started Vyvanse - 7/22/2016
Reconstructive Surgeries with Dr. Michaels - 6/5/2017 (LBL & brachioplasty), 8/14/2017 (UBL & mastopexy), 11/6/2017 (medial leg lift)

Age 42 Height 5'4" HW 319 (1/3/2014) SW 293 (3/13/2014) CW 149 (7/16/2017)
Next Goal 145 - normal BMI | Total Weight Lost 170

TrendWeight | Food Blog (sort of functional) | Journal (down for maintenance)

Finsternis
on 1/17/18 3:51 pm - NH
Topic: RE: Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?

Wow, a whole ONE forum, compared to the 929 surgery forums? I'm impressed!

And for you information, I know PLENTY about bariatric surgery - not only form my own extensive research but from actually being in two, week-long pre-surgical classes. So I know what I'm talking about. I quit when I realized how insane it is. I realized that even AFTER I had my guts re-routed permanently, I would STILL have to at a highly controlled diet for the rest of my life, not to mention all the risks of complications.

Label me what you like, I could not care less. Just trying to bring some light to the ones who have been duped into getting this surgery.

Finsternis
on 1/17/18 3:39 pm - NH
Topic: RE: Need to clean up my diet - seeking book recommendations

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6D0LCK/

Gwen M.
on 1/17/18 3:37 pm
VSG on 03/13/14
Topic: RE: Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?

And, hey, considering you joined the site in 2013 and are still obese.. clearly your methods haven't worked for you.

VSG with Dr. Salameh - 3/13/2014
Diagnosed with Binge Eating Disorder and started Vyvanse - 7/22/2016
Reconstructive Surgeries with Dr. Michaels - 6/5/2017 (LBL & brachioplasty), 8/14/2017 (UBL & mastopexy), 11/6/2017 (medial leg lift)

Age 42 Height 5'4" HW 319 (1/3/2014) SW 293 (3/13/2014) CW 149 (7/16/2017)
Next Goal 145 - normal BMI | Total Weight Lost 170

TrendWeight | Food Blog (sort of functional) | Journal (down for maintenance)

Gwen M.
on 1/17/18 3:35 pm
VSG on 03/13/14
Topic: RE: Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?

Points of your ignorance:

1: Lifestyle change is a frequent topic of discussion on OH.

2: Surgery is a great way to lose weight.

3: Weight can easily be regained after any method of weight loss and studies show those with bariatric and metabolic surgery have lower rates of regain.

4: Not all surgeries "reroute guts."

5: Obesity's often complications are permanent as well - like death, for instance.

6: What is normal eating? Eating in the ways that got a person to obesity? Most of us eat normally - it's just a new, healthier normal.

7: For that matter, how is fasting "normal eating?" Or any other fad diet you've tried or will try?

8: There are also hundreds of studies (and videos) about the benefits of bariatric and metabolic surgery.

VSG with Dr. Salameh - 3/13/2014
Diagnosed with Binge Eating Disorder and started Vyvanse - 7/22/2016
Reconstructive Surgeries with Dr. Michaels - 6/5/2017 (LBL & brachioplasty), 8/14/2017 (UBL & mastopexy), 11/6/2017 (medial leg lift)

Age 42 Height 5'4" HW 319 (1/3/2014) SW 293 (3/13/2014) CW 149 (7/16/2017)
Next Goal 145 - normal BMI | Total Weight Lost 170

TrendWeight | Food Blog (sort of functional) | Journal (down for maintenance)

Finsternis
on 1/17/18 3:35 pm - NH
Topic: RE: Egg white shake

Why not whole eggs? Why just the whites? Eggs are good for you, and DO NOT raise your cholesterol. That's an old, long-disproven myth. Just eat regular eggs.

Finsternis
on 1/17/18 3:31 pm - NH
Topic: RE: Small Meals vs. Grazing

I'm sorry, eating six times a day is insanity and will virtually guarantee you will not lose much weight. Your insulin will stay at high levels, your liver will be constantly full of glucose and your body fat will never burn. The best number of meals to eat per day is ONE, or two at most - not too far apart.

Gwen M.
on 1/17/18 3:29 pm
VSG on 03/13/14
Topic: RE: getting vitamins for after surgery ready any suggestions

Your doctor gave you bad advice and isn't the one who will have to live with the consequences of vitamin deficiencies.

VSG with Dr. Salameh - 3/13/2014
Diagnosed with Binge Eating Disorder and started Vyvanse - 7/22/2016
Reconstructive Surgeries with Dr. Michaels - 6/5/2017 (LBL & brachioplasty), 8/14/2017 (UBL & mastopexy), 11/6/2017 (medial leg lift)

Age 42 Height 5'4" HW 319 (1/3/2014) SW 293 (3/13/2014) CW 149 (7/16/2017)
Next Goal 145 - normal BMI | Total Weight Lost 170

TrendWeight | Food Blog (sort of functional) | Journal (down for maintenance)

Gwen M.
on 1/17/18 3:28 pm
VSG on 03/13/14
Topic: RE: Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?

There is a non-surgical forum - http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/non_postops/

And you're completely wrong about surgery not being a great way to lose (and maintain) weight. It would behoove you to read this article -- https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/12/7/16587316/ba riatric-surgery-weight-loss-lap-band -- and to leave your judgment at the door.

You're welcome to make your own decisions for your health, and you should. You're also welcome to come blazing onto OH and rant about how horrible surgery is, but doing so will get you labeled as an ignorant jerk.

VSG with Dr. Salameh - 3/13/2014
Diagnosed with Binge Eating Disorder and started Vyvanse - 7/22/2016
Reconstructive Surgeries with Dr. Michaels - 6/5/2017 (LBL & brachioplasty), 8/14/2017 (UBL & mastopexy), 11/6/2017 (medial leg lift)

Age 42 Height 5'4" HW 319 (1/3/2014) SW 293 (3/13/2014) CW 149 (7/16/2017)
Next Goal 145 - normal BMI | Total Weight Lost 170

TrendWeight | Food Blog (sort of functional) | Journal (down for maintenance)

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