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Finsternis
on 3/12/18 1:18 pm - NH
Topic: RE: Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?

People had a lower life expectancy because modern medical science is WAY better than it has ever been. These days you won't die from a broken leg or a simple infection the way we used to. It has nothing to do with the way we eat. In fact, these days as well all know it's the way we eat that is killing us.

It always amuses me that people call anything a "fad" when it is 1) new and 2) popular. First of all, intermittent fasting is hardly new, it's been practiced for thousands of years, especially in religious communities. In fact, it's been practiced ever since human beings existed, since there was no choice: sometimes there was food available, sometimes there wasn't. So, 50,000 years of evolution have designed us specifically to eat that way. Theat's WHY we gain weight in the fist place: because your body wants to store energy during good times for the times there isn't any food.

It's WLS that is the fad, my friend. It's only been around for a few short decades. Fasting has been tested for the whole length of human existence. It's been tested and proven billions and billions of times over by mother nature.

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 3/12/18 1:15 pm
RNY on 08/05/19
Topic: RE: Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?
On March 12, 2018 at 7:50 PM Pacific Time, Finsternis wrote:
On January 19, 2018 at 6:41 PM Pacific Time, Kathy S. wrote:

"Hello Finsternis,

Welcome to OH Let me introduce you to our site. From our "about OH" page. I had weight loss surgery in 2004 and it saved my life, my husband didn't and he died from obese related health issues. Any questions? "

Glad to hear that you OK. I'm sorry about your husband, and I'm sorry you had to resort to such unnecessarily drastic measures to do it, but at least you're OK.

My only question is, if you're here specifically for WLS people, why do you call the site "Obesity Help"? Because it's not "obesity help" in general, it is WLS help specifically. Your name is very misleading.

>> Glad to hear that you OK. I'm sorry about your husband, and I'm sorry you had to resort to such unnecessarily drastic measures to do it, but at least you're OK.

Classy!

Sparklekitty / Julie / Nerdy Little Secret (#42)
Roller derby - cycling - triathlon
VSG 2013, RNY conversion 2019 due to GERD. Trendweight here!

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 3/12/18 1:14 pm
RNY on 08/05/19
Topic: RE: Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?

Yes, there is absolutely a risk of regaining weight after surgery. But the likelihood to regain, as well as the amount gained back, is significantly lower after WLS versus with diet-modification only,

Sparklekitty / Julie / Nerdy Little Secret (#42)
Roller derby - cycling - triathlon
VSG 2013, RNY conversion 2019 due to GERD. Trendweight here!

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 3/12/18 1:11 pm
RNY on 08/05/19
Topic: RE: Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?

>> Most of them had no idea there was any other option.

I strongly suggest you talk to some of the folks here who've had WLS. Many of us spent YEARS trying every diet out there, IF included. And I'm not aware of ANYONE here who had surgery "pushed" on them; if anything, many of us had to fight with insurance to have it covered.

Sparklekitty / Julie / Nerdy Little Secret (#42)
Roller derby - cycling - triathlon
VSG 2013, RNY conversion 2019 due to GERD. Trendweight here!

Finsternis
on 3/12/18 1:09 pm - NH
Topic: RE: Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?

And hopefully YOU won't be one of the people who got surgery and STILL gained a bunch of weight back!

Do you trust the Journal of the American Medical Association?

"There was a significant weight regain and a decrease in remission rates of diabetes and, to a lesser extent, other comorbidities over time."

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/bariatric-surgery-patients-see-weight-gain-after-honeymoon-period-080515#modal-close

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/fullarticle/242 2341 (the whole article)

Or the Mayo clinic?

"You'll always be at risk of regaining weight, even years later."
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/bariatric-surgery/expert-answers/gastric-bypass-surgery/faq-20057845

Finsternis
on 3/12/18 1:09 pm - NH
Topic: RE: Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?
On January 18, 2018 at 12:17 AM Pacific Time, Gwen M. wrote:

Great! Too bad you had to waste 4 years to get there. Hopefully you'll end up being in the 5% of people who manage to maintain their weight loss without surgery.

And hopefully YOU won't be one of the people who got surgery and STILL gained a bunch of weight back!

Do you trust the Journal of the American Medical Association?

"There was a significant weight regain and a decrease in remission rates of diabetes and, to a lesser extent, other comorbidities over time."

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/bariatric-surgery-patients-see-weight-gain-after-honeymoon-period-080515#modal-close

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/fullarticle/242 2341 (the whole article)

Or the Mayo clinic?

"You'll always be at risk of regaining weight, even years later."
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/bariatric-surgery/expert-answers/gastric-bypass-surgery/faq-20057845

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 3/12/18 1:09 pm
RNY on 08/05/19
Topic: RE: Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?

>> I've lost 20% of my weight in six months., No surgery.

Come back in five years and tell us all about how you've kept it off without surgery!

Sparklekitty / Julie / Nerdy Little Secret (#42)
Roller derby - cycling - triathlon
VSG 2013, RNY conversion 2019 due to GERD. Trendweight here!

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 3/12/18 1:08 pm
RNY on 08/05/19
Topic: RE: Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?

Bariatric surgery causes lasting metabolic changes that aren't seen with IF.

Welcome back to your argument, BTW, we've missed you!

Sparklekitty / Julie / Nerdy Little Secret (#42)
Roller derby - cycling - triathlon
VSG 2013, RNY conversion 2019 due to GERD. Trendweight here!

Finsternis
on 3/12/18 1:03 pm, edited 3/12/18 6:03 am - NH
Finsternis
on 3/12/18 12:57 pm - NH
Topic: RE: Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?

I don't know what "MO" is, but you are completely wrong. Not just me but plenty of other people consider surgery but decide against it. In fact, I would fight that hard to PREVENT anyone from doing it to me.

Yes, many or most of us here have struggled our whole lives with the "traditional remedies" and had the same bad results. I agree that the traditional "diet and exercise" methods suck and don't work.

It's amusing to me that here, on this forum for obese people (and I assume that includes you), you would use weight as an insult. VERY lame. And for the record, I don't weigh anywhere near that, of course.

I've lost 20% of my weight in six months., No surgery. Can you say the same?

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