Is there ANYONE here who is NOT getting surgery?

Finsternis
on 1/17/18 4:14 pm - NH

I joined in 2013 for about one day, until I realized it was just a shill site for the bariatric surgery industry. I never came bac****il today - I had to reset my password because I forgot it. Also, I didn't discover the best methods until recently. Now that I'm following them I'm going GREAT, thanks. but it doesn't happen overnight, it can be a long process. Not only is my weight down significantly, but I have cured my type 2 diabetes (blood sugars perfectly normal now, not on any medication), my cholesterol is way down, and all kinds of other health indicators have improved. You're about to say that many of these benefits can come from surgery, too, and you're right. In many cases they do. But the difference is, I didn't have to have surgery and can eat whatever I want on non-fasting days. You an say it's not all rerouting guts, but it ALL involves surgey and people messing around in your innards.

Gwen M.
on 1/17/18 4:17 pm
VSG on 03/13/14

Great! Too bad you had to waste 4 years to get there. Hopefully you'll end up being in the 5% of people who manage to maintain their weight loss without surgery.

VSG with Dr. Salameh - 3/13/2014
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Age 42 Height 5'4" HW 319 (1/3/2014) SW 293 (3/13/2014) CW 149 (7/16/2017)
Next Goal 145 - normal BMI | Total Weight Lost 170

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Finsternis
on 1/17/18 4:38 pm - NH

Thanks. I see you lost a lot of weight too, I'm glad. It may have taken 4 years, but we don't control what happens in our lives. I wish I had known what I know now 25 years ago.

The horrible statistics for people who gain weight back are due to the fact that for 50 years the medical field have given them crappy, incorrect, and laughably false information on how to lose weight. It never works, as you point out. They said "don't eat cholesterol, it gives you high cholesterol", and they were wrong. They told people "don't eat fat, it makes you fat", and they were wrong. They said "eat lots of carbs, it will make you healthy", and they were wrong. They said "you can lose weight by doing tons of exercise", and they were mostly wrong (exercise is definitely healthy, but as a weight loss device it sucks).

If people were getting quality information instead of lies, and being sold all kinds of stupid diets and medical procedures just to make the food companies, hospitals, and surgeons rich, the success rate would be much higher. That's one of the reasons I try to help.

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 1/19/18 6:39 am
RNY on 08/05/19

"If people were getting quality information instead of lies," it's totally possible that more people would choose surgery.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/well/why-weight-loss-surg ery-works-when-diets-dont.html

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Finsternis
on 3/12/18 10:44 am - NH

I agree! Good think I'm not recommending a diet. I'm recommending doing exactly what you are doing: eating a lot less. I am getting 100% exactly the same awesome results. I just didn't have to have my guts rerouted to do it.

Finsternis
on 3/12/18 12:25 pm - NH

This article only proves what I'm saying: weight loss surgery does work. And I agree that "diets" (changing the THINGS you eat, only just eating fewer calories) don't work. So I agree with the article 100%. The only difference is, I am getting exactly the same results without surgery because I do the same THING as surgery, but without having surgery.

In short, there are better ways to achieve exactly the same results without surgery. It isn't necessary.

Finsternis
on 3/12/18 1:03 pm, edited 3/12/18 6:03 am - NH
Finsternis
on 3/12/18 1:09 pm - NH
On January 18, 2018 at 12:17 AM Pacific Time, Gwen M. wrote:

Great! Too bad you had to waste 4 years to get there. Hopefully you'll end up being in the 5% of people who manage to maintain their weight loss without surgery.

And hopefully YOU won't be one of the people who got surgery and STILL gained a bunch of weight back!

Do you trust the Journal of the American Medical Association?

"There was a significant weight regain and a decrease in remission rates of diabetes and, to a lesser extent, other comorbidities over time."

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/bariatric-surgery-patients-see-weight-gain-after-honeymoon-period-080515#modal-close

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/fullarticle/242 2341 (the whole article)

Or the Mayo clinic?

"You'll always be at risk of regaining weight, even years later."
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/bariatric-surgery/expert-answers/gastric-bypass-surgery/faq-20057845

Finsternis
on 3/12/18 1:09 pm - NH

And hopefully YOU won't be one of the people who got surgery and STILL gained a bunch of weight back!

Do you trust the Journal of the American Medical Association?

"There was a significant weight regain and a decrease in remission rates of diabetes and, to a lesser extent, other comorbidities over time."

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/bariatric-surgery-patients-see-weight-gain-after-honeymoon-period-080515#modal-close

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/fullarticle/242 2341 (the whole article)

Or the Mayo clinic?

"You'll always be at risk of regaining weight, even years later."
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/bariatric-surgery/expert-answers/gastric-bypass-surgery/faq-20057845

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 3/12/18 1:14 pm
RNY on 08/05/19

Yes, there is absolutely a risk of regaining weight after surgery. But the likelihood to regain, as well as the amount gained back, is significantly lower after WLS versus with diet-modification only,

Sparklekitty / Julie / Nerdy Little Secret (#42)
Roller derby - cycling - triathlon
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