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Liz J.
on 11/14/18 1:57 pm
DS on 11/29/16
Topic: RE: Things I'm learning

I'm the research specialist in my office, it's a large part of my job... That being said most people I've chatted with on the boards know how to do correct research.

The thing is I don't think you're listening. A good percentage of the people on the boards already track their food, exercise, and have done the emotional and mental work to keep the weight off. Some of us go to regular support groups, see our nutritionist, and get our vitamin levels checked. I would even go a far as to say about 30% or more have done a program similar to yours.

For some people, such as myself, I did the same type of program run by a major university that had fantastic results. 85 pounds down I got extremely sick and couldn't move much, put a lot of the weight back on over the course of 18 months. Once they diagnosed my heath issues and I got better and could move. I went back to the program, but my BMR was messed up from different diets and exercise I done to lose weight. Even eating less then 1,200 cal a day I would gain weight. I had other weight related issues and needed the weight off fast BUT how to do that when my BMR was basically broken? Well, I researched the problem and found out is was more common then I or my doctors realized. If I had the correct weight loss surgery, one that is actually used in Europe to treat Type 2 Diabetes, I would lose the most of the weight, the other health issues would decrease, and I would never become Diabetic.

I wasn't looking for a quick fix, this has been just as much work if not more then when I did the other program. I still track everything I eat, plan my meals out a few weeks in advanced, watch my micro, and exercise DAILY! When I go out to eat, I search online to see what I can have, I might even call ahead to see if they will let me order off the children's menu (not often because it's normally not very healthy). I eat no bread, pasta, rice, or high carb fruit. My meals are protein and vegetable based. I don't drink soda, only coffee, tea, and water.

I'm sure you've learned that not everyone doing your program is successful because they don't don't do the work? Well, it's the same with weight loss surgery. You have to do the hard work and keep at it. It's not a free ride, HELL it's not easy BUT if you put the work in both physically and mentally it will help you get to your goal. It's a tool, like anything else.

You came here judging us for taking "the easy" way out instead of doing the hard work. We just need more will power, better doctors, etc... What you don't know is we've (most of us) know what your saying can work sometimes, it failed us and yes, we put the work in too. Things break (BMR), people get to a point where surgery is the only option. You're judging them/me/us for doing what we feel is BEST for US. Get off your ******g high horse and realize that we are all on the same side, the one trying to get healthy and have some grace to realize WLS has saved lives. IF you can't understand this, I feel sorry for you.

HW: 398.8 SW:356 GW: 175 CW:147

Julia S.
on 11/14/18 1:20 pm - Beaverton, OR
RNY on 02/12/18
Topic: RE: Things I'm learning

That calculator is totally inaccurate. I've actually done the test where you breathe into the machine for 15 minutes and it came out to be much less than this calculator shows. They are promoting inaccurate information and if I did their recommended calorie intake I would be back at my starting weight in no time flat. I'm glad you've learned some things, but not nearly what most of the people on this forum know. I too had success before WLS I lost 90lbs and maintained it for over 5 years. It was one of the many times I've lost in excess of 50lbs and maintained for a period of time. But it obviously didn't work for me, and my metabolism is much less than a normal person. My calorie intake is 800-1000 right now in the weight loss phase. I eat 75g of protein a day in order to not lose lean body mass. A person who has not had WLS could not maintain this calorie level for a long period of time, without feeling hungry all of the time.

If you have success good for you, but for many of us it isn't as simple as move more eat less. I measure and weigh everything I eat and track it daily, as I will do for the rest of my life.

5'5" Age 67 HW 291 SW 275.8 CW 172.9

btm61
on 11/14/18 11:33 am
Topic: RE: Things I'm learning

Liz,

Our nutritionist got her MS in Nutrition just two years ago from Baylor University. Our fitness trainer graduated last year from IU with a degree in Kinesiology and two professional training certificates, our office manager was himself a patient who had surgery, and the other two medical professional on the staff have a combined 40 years specializing in weight loss. I have individual appointments regularly with all four and not once have they ever contradicted each other. As for the "research" you do, University studies have shown that 71% of the content on the internet is complete BS and that was BEFORE social media became a deal. Here's some additional statistic, that percentage increases dramatically when it comes to weight loss and proper nutrition, and personal experience has taught me that. Their teaching also rings true with what I learned in college. Fact is, the body hasn't changed how it processes food, and the foundation to weight loss will ALWAYS be calories consumed vs. calories burned. To be completely honest, there is only one number I pay attention to from our clinic's "fancy scales" and it's called "body weight". Other wise I track my food intake and my exercise on myfitnesspal.com. I really don't need any other tools, and it's my opinion that you really don't either. I appreciate your input though.

Liz J.
on 11/13/18 2:04 pm
DS on 11/29/16
Topic: RE: Things I'm learning
On November 13, 2018 at 2:27 PM Pacific Time, btm61 wrote:

I really don't understand the obsession with bone density (what DEXA actually measures according to a variety of web sites) vs. the machines we use at our clinic that actually measure BMR and a variety of other significant measurements, including BMI, fat mass and muscle mass. I don't get my numbers from an internet source. In fact I get very little information from the internet, instead relying on the professionals with expertise in the area of weight loss, and even though my "team" includes 5 different individuals involving 4 different aspects of weight loss their recommendations complement each other. I'm confident in the program I'm on and on the information I've received. I have ALL of the information I need to be successful and NONE of it comes from the internet.

And that right there is part of the problem. Did you do any research before you started? How do you know they are using up to date information if you haven't checked? Most of us have done extensive research and don't trust blindly. Everything I've done and do is backed by science. Maybe you're not a science person... don't believe in global warming, or are you a Flat Earther?

Liz

HW: 398.8 SW:356 GW: 175 CW:147

btm61
on 11/13/18 9:51 am
Topic: RE: Things I'm learning

At this point in my journey I don't NEED exact numbers, and likely never will. My BMR and fat percentage are doing exactly what they are supposed to do as my weight decreases. My ideal weight range today is only a couple of pounds different than when it was measured 35 years ago so I'm not too worried. I suppose your scan is a good thing if it helps you, but as one on a medically managed program I don't see then need for it, especially right now.

Citizen Kim
on 11/13/18 9:21 am - Castle Rock, CO
Topic: RE: Things I'm learning

A complete dexa scan measures bone density, fat and muscle. Bone density is important as we get older, but honestly, it's generally a problem for skinny people, not those of us who have been overweight.

You cannot talk about fat percentages or BMRs if they've not been measured properly and standing on a fancy scale doesn't cut it. Your program are using all the tools available to them, they're just not the best available.

I have a picture of my skeleton, fat and muscles from a dexa scan and I mouth breathed into a machine for 15 ish minutes to get an EXACT measure of my BMR. It's the gold standard. If you're happy with less, then that's ok too, but you cannot compare your information to mine, that's all.

I'm trying to give you good information and advice, using facts. I'm not schilling for any program or company or the internet.

Proud Feminist, Atheist, LGBT friend, and Democratic Socialist

btm61
on 11/13/18 6:27 am
Topic: RE: Things I'm learning

I really don't understand the obsession with bone density (what DEXA actually measures according to a variety of web sites) vs. the machines we use at our clinic that actually measure BMR and a variety of other significant measurements, including BMI, fat mass and muscle mass. I don't get my numbers from an internet source. In fact I get very little information from the internet, instead relying on the professionals with expertise in the area of weight loss, and even though my "team" includes 5 different individuals involving 4 different aspects of weight loss their recommendations complement each other. I'm confident in the program I'm on and on the information I've received. I have ALL of the information I need to be successful and NONE of it comes from the internet.

Citizen Kim
on 11/13/18 5:54 am - Castle Rock, CO
Topic: RE: Things I'm learning

Your BMR rate needs to be accurately measured by a particular machine that measures oxygen expended during rest. Using an online calculator, my BMR was quoted as 1534 calories per day, whereas my actual correctly measured BMR was 1873. That's quite the difference.

If your weightloss clinic doesn't offer a dexa scan (for body fat calculation) and BMR measurement, might I suggest you find somewhere that does? You will have to pay out of pocket, but I only paid $150.

It will at least give you true information to gauge your progress, rather than plucking a number off the internet.

Proud Feminist, Atheist, LGBT friend, and Democratic Socialist

hollykim
on 11/11/18 4:39 pm - Nashville, TN
Revision on 03/18/15
Topic: RE: Fad diets Fail
On November 11, 2018 at 9:25 PM Pacific Time, btm61 wrote:

Holly,

While my insurance is covering most of the cost there are copays to be certain, and when I get to the point where I'm needing skin reduction surgery, it sounds like most of that will be out of pocket. As for following my progress of course you are welcome to, my point was that if you are going to attempt to discredit my work because you think your way is the only way then I'd rather you wouldn't follow my progress. Whether by surgery or medically managed care, serious weight loss is hard and it should be so that we have the incentive not to do this to our bodies ever again. All I ask is that you not make it harder by offering disparaging remarks. When I first started this journey I had many days where I didn't want to go to the gym, but now I can't stay away. I did 25 minutes on the arc trainer this morning and this evening I'll go back and do a 30 minute circuit training session. I have never felt better or stronger in my life, and I WILL keep this weight off because I now know how to eat and exercise in a healthy way.

I was never disparaging. That is your own insecurities working against you.

I say,you go.

 


          

 

btm61
on 11/11/18 1:25 pm
Topic: RE: Fad diets Fail

Holly,

While my insurance is covering most of the cost there are copays to be certain, and when I get to the point where I'm needing skin reduction surgery, it sounds like most of that will be out of pocket. As for following my progress of course you are welcome to, my point was that if you are going to attempt to discredit my work because you think your way is the only way then I'd rather you wouldn't follow my progress. Whether by surgery or medically managed care, serious weight loss is hard and it should be so that we have the incentive not to do this to our bodies ever again. All I ask is that you not make it harder by offering disparaging remarks. When I first started this journey I had many days where I didn't want to go to the gym, but now I can't stay away. I did 25 minutes on the arc trainer this morning and this evening I'll go back and do a 30 minute circuit training session. I have never felt better or stronger in my life, and I WILL keep this weight off because I now know how to eat and exercise in a healthy way.

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