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JerseyGirl1969
on 3/12/08 8:36 am - Milford, NJ
No.  Again I never said no dietary changes.  In fact, I emphasized low carb from the getgo.  Don't know how you got otherwise.  I never said eat all you want, I said restricted calories actually work against you and the math and science substantiate that.  I never said exercise like I do, I said exercise frequently and intensely.  I still believe that 100% My dietary change was a tweak, decreasing carbs from 30% to 10%.   ANd I have always had empathy for all here, otherwise I wouldn't have offered the information critical to their success.

Jupiter6
on 3/12/08 8:49 am - Near Media, Pa- South of Philly, NJ
"ANd I have always had empathy for all here, otherwise I wouldn't have offered the information critical to their success..." That reads very....very.....aw never mind.

 "Oh sweet and sour Jesus, that is GOOD!" - Stephen Colbert  Lap RNY 7/07-- Lap Gallbladder 5/08--  
     Emergency Bowel Repair
6/08 -Dr. Meilahn, Temple U.  
 Upper and Lower Bleph/Lower Face Lift 
12/08 
     Fraxel Repair 2/09-- Lower Bleph Re-Do 5/09  -Dr. Pontell, Media PA  Mastopexy/Massive 
     Brachioplasty/ Extended Abdominoplasty 
(plus Mons Lift and Upper Leg lift) / Hernia Repair
      6/24/09 ---Butt Lift and Lateral Thighplasty Scheduled 7/6/10
 - Dr. Ivor Kaplan VA Beach
      
Total Cost: $33,500   Start wt: 368   RNY wt: 300  Goal wt: 150   Current wt: 148.2  BMI: 24.7

JerseyGirl1969
on 3/12/08 8:52 am - Milford, NJ
You have a very interesting filter when it comes to your perception. We will never agree on this because the picture you paint isn't even based on what I have written.

Jupiter6
on 3/12/08 10:04 pm, edited 3/12/08 10:04 pm - Near Media, Pa- South of Philly, NJ
What you just wrote in that sentence reads like you are quite full of yourself. It's based precisely on what you just wrote, and nothing more. Communication doesn't seem to be your strong suit as of late, and it's been taking you into rough situations. What if maybe it's not *everyone else*? Maybe instead of bulldozing people you could start practicing a little restraint? Maybe we don't all have broken filters-- maybe you need to entertain the idea that your transmitter might need a little tweaking. That's when *real* growth happens. People with good ideas don't have to beat people over the head with them-- essential truths sell themselves. The advice you've offered here is frankly no more or less useful than anyone's. The strength of your conviction doesn't make you more right, just louder. You are not this forum's salvation--"the deliverer of critical information" (like there's only one, and it's you?)-- you're one voice in the agora, and your tone has been haughty from the start. If you toned that down, you might have a better chance of your message****ting their intended targets, and inspire less back-channel talk about how annoying you're being-- both here and at the gym. I'm not trying to hurt you or assail your good name-- I just want to to understand how you make others feel. If you have good things to share, you can do it in the spirit of community, without coming off as The Voice of Weight Loss. Just be one person, struggling, like everyone else-- it's with empathy and kindness that you will inspire, not with grandstanding.

 "Oh sweet and sour Jesus, that is GOOD!" - Stephen Colbert  Lap RNY 7/07-- Lap Gallbladder 5/08--  
     Emergency Bowel Repair
6/08 -Dr. Meilahn, Temple U.  
 Upper and Lower Bleph/Lower Face Lift 
12/08 
     Fraxel Repair 2/09-- Lower Bleph Re-Do 5/09  -Dr. Pontell, Media PA  Mastopexy/Massive 
     Brachioplasty/ Extended Abdominoplasty 
(plus Mons Lift and Upper Leg lift) / Hernia Repair
      6/24/09 ---Butt Lift and Lateral Thighplasty Scheduled 7/6/10
 - Dr. Ivor Kaplan VA Beach
      
Total Cost: $33,500   Start wt: 368   RNY wt: 300  Goal wt: 150   Current wt: 148.2  BMI: 24.7

Neecee O.
on 3/13/08 12:40 am - CA
Jerz, let's DO hope you have more success in verbal communication, cuz, truly, you do get judgmental and one-way about things. I'm glad that it works for you in your work life, but truly, Shari has a very VERY good point in there for you.   Today in your meeting, you will and should have the "upper hand" as a customer. However, just keep in mind that when the student is ready, the teacher appears...in this case, the drama has a lesson in there for you. You've used the word intense to describe yourself...I do hope that you do learn to have fun with your weight loss journey.  Intensity will not take you far..this brick wall is one of many to come.  You will hate this, but Atkins IS a diet...you try to say a WOE, of but let's not play word games. There are too many rules, which makes it a diet...one of the more recent examples: 2g of peanut butter gonna make Kriz stop his weight loss goals....omg, get over yourself...get real here. You make eating sound like a B&D experience!  Try to have fun!
JerseyGirl1969
on 3/13/08 2:03 am - Milford, NJ
Neecee, we all have filters that influence our perception.  The last thing I am is judgmental.  I would instead suggest you consider why you see information as judgmental, .  Shari's point is similarly misfounded.  This doesn't mean I don't consider what you said, it means I did and saw where it was coming from and that it wasn't applicable. As for verbal and written communciation, I have success with both in many ways, which is not to say it doesn't require occasional adjustment to the audience/recipient (if one desires to) or that there isn't room for growth in that regard.  When one is dealing with multiple filters, especially, one can't always respond to each and every one.   I am direct in my writing, but as we all know, there's room to create a tone that one hears and that again is a filter... Such as seeing my reference about sugar in PB--that's just me stating a point, not about me criticizing him or anything.  It's just critical to avoid sugar and nuts are off limits first two weeks.  I do call it a WOE because it must be ongoing, but my perception of the program is it's hardly a diet *for me* and the rules are pretty easy to follow. As for intensity, it's what I've been told and I accept as mostly accurate.  I'm a sensitive/emotional being.  Not all are to the same extent.  As for the team, it's what has created an odd dynamic because I doing as my teacher taught me and hasn't yet taught them.... Regardless, this was a tough morning, I don't think I'll be posting rest of day. 

Christa :]
on 3/13/08 2:07 am - MI
VSG on 03/13/12

NOOO!  I want the scoop on what went down at this meeting i have been waiting ALL DAY LONG! lol. Man *pouts* Oh well. I will ive.



 





 

    
JerseyGirl1969
on 3/13/08 2:18 am - Milford, NJ
Christa, it was a very difficult experience for me.  It was surreal. And I am hurting.  But I will summarize it.   Thank God his boss understands me--he knows my true intent and character.  I just have to accept that Ian is a young man, perhaps too arrogant in his beliefs, and not a good communicator.  Long story short, it is as I suspected, he had an issue that I believe stayed with him, influenced his behavior toward me, resulted in mine, and where we ended up today. He mistook a joke made 2 months ago.  We were talking about how other trainers don't seem to get their clients sweaty and I think it was that he said something about look at you, hot and sweaty and I might have said, "I bet you say that to all the girls."  He remembers the conversation differently and though I saw in that moment a reaction and addressed it, it never left his head.  Add to that, he then mistook other actions in the same vein. To be in a meeting where my character and my actions questioned, was beyond difficult.  I was prepared though, and brought a print out of every email if necessary--nothing was ever written that wasn't about The Work we were doing.  Nothing could not be shared with all if need be. He's a young man who perhaps thinks a bit too much of himself (which I think is a cover up for insecurities) and he misread me completely. I admired him.  Had affection for him.  Was never romantically inclined.   I'm also a person who is nurturing and affectionate, and from a culture that emphasizes that, and he mistook a hand on the arm to get his attention as over the line.  But as I said to him and his boss, it's nothing I've not done with others, of both genders. Regardless, the upshot is we take a break from 1-1.  Heal.  We may train in group, but I will do 1-1 with Karissa. Folks, my heart is so broken over this.  To have my integrity questioned from normal behaviors from someone I trusted astonishes me.  I feel sick to my stomach.

Christa :]
on 3/13/08 2:29 am - MI
VSG on 03/13/12
Hmm. I would avoid the whole group thing. Just totally boot him from your daily plans. Even though yes it will be hard and it hurts....maybe finish the challenge and just leave that group behind. Go to 1-1 with Karissa and leave it at that. That is just my thoughts on it, but you can do as you please.  I figured the meeting was something like this. I figured in some way or form the boundries were crossed...not purposely....but as in how he felt that you crossed the lines he drew around him and he never re-drew the lines back so it stayed with him.  So it all ended up leading to this. He started you on this journey which is good...now on to bigger better things. You can do this without him! :)



 





 

    
Jupiter6
on 3/13/08 2:31 am - Near Media, Pa- South of Philly, NJ
Sounds as though your boundaries aren't great.  When you recognize that about yourself, you'll address it, and get it in control. EMailing, joking, touching-- whether you're from a demonstrative culture or not-- none of these are useful or necessary parts of getting a workout-- and as a teacher/trainer, especially a male one with a female client, all of these would make me nervous as well. I would call it into question too, lest *I* as the trainer be considered "inappropriate." That you are making this much out of what ought to be an all-about-business workout experience is unusual and a little over-the-top. There are a million gyms, and scores of trainers. Find another and get back to business. Your focus is supposed to be on your body and health, not thedramatics. I'm with Neece-- you can call it whatever you like, but when you alter your eating plan, that's a dietary change-- aka "a diet." A diet isn't necessarily something you go "on" or "off"-- it's an eating plan. Once again, you're just like the rest of us poor unwashed masses, a human being with issues, trying to get it together. You're no different, no better, not "other." Just reg'lar.

 "Oh sweet and sour Jesus, that is GOOD!" - Stephen Colbert  Lap RNY 7/07-- Lap Gallbladder 5/08--  
     Emergency Bowel Repair
6/08 -Dr. Meilahn, Temple U.  
 Upper and Lower Bleph/Lower Face Lift 
12/08 
     Fraxel Repair 2/09-- Lower Bleph Re-Do 5/09  -Dr. Pontell, Media PA  Mastopexy/Massive 
     Brachioplasty/ Extended Abdominoplasty 
(plus Mons Lift and Upper Leg lift) / Hernia Repair
      6/24/09 ---Butt Lift and Lateral Thighplasty Scheduled 7/6/10
 - Dr. Ivor Kaplan VA Beach
      
Total Cost: $33,500   Start wt: 368   RNY wt: 300  Goal wt: 150   Current wt: 148.2  BMI: 24.7

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