Accountability..just venting

Chris I.
on 2/13/08 11:37 am
I second, third and fourth everything Mary has said here.  If you were diagnosed as being insulin resistant once then you're more than likely still that way.  A low carb diet is the best thing you can do for yourself.  I'm pretty curious about my pancreatic hormone levels now too.  Sooner or later I'm going to get to and endo and figure this all out.  I keep procrastinating but I really should go.  In the word of my father, "Boy, either sh*t or get off the damned pot!".   (Thanks Dad!!)

 -=- CHRiS aka "Butterfinger Ho" -=-   

    
                                         40 lbs lost while pursuing surgery.
  
HollyRachel
on 2/13/08 1:15 pm

In the word of my father, "Boy, either sh*t or get off the damned pot!"

Hehe, I like it! 

It was just about six months ago I got the tests done.  So it's pretty recent.  I've been looking around all day long for the paper work, but I can't seem to find it yet.  

I'm just really scared that I'll cave into the carbs on a binge going on South Beach.   Think that is my number one worry.  Plus if I don't stick with it, I'll balloon like crazy.  I gain SO easily.  Sometimes I really think that I'll be one of those people you see on tv if I don't figure it out.  I can gain ten pounds in the matter of a few days without even trying.  So this is going to take some thought.  BUT, I can cave into carbs no matter what diet I'm on.  THink this is all a mind thing with me now.  I guess down deep I'm scared I'll never see the food again.  Is it I'm not ready?  I don't know, but I don't like feeling like that.


mwy
on 2/13/08 1:33 pm, edited 2/13/08 1:44 pm
Holly, have you been checked for Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS)?  I was diagnosed with in the nineties.  I had it before, but they didn't even know what it was.  I gained over a hundred pounds in one year on a low fat diet.  They checked my testosterone levels and they were through the roof.  My endocrinologist said it's like a woman taking steroids and bulking up like a football player.  Yep, that's what it was like! So you might want to put it on the list of things that need checking.   And don't be afraid to cave into the carbs.  They are evil, wicked little monstas that are waiting to throw you off of your game and tell you that you lost.  But keep your head in the game and realize that one small slip up doesn't mean a thing in the long haul.  Get back in and whoop A$$!  There is no cure for insulin resistance.  It can only be controlled through diet and exercise.  So just chew on that for a while, then formulate your plan of action.  As Chris's Daddy would say...S@&t or get off of the pot!   OMG, I can't believe that showed up as a website!  I'm gonna see if goes anywhere. Mary
HollyRachel
on 2/13/08 1:50 pm

Haha, that's funny.  You made me look too.hehe    I don't think I've been tested for that, although I'm not sure what it even is.  I'll have to look it up tomorrow.  All I know is that I got to get my head out of the gutter, just figure it out and do it.  Lol, I just haven't found what works for me yet.  What else do I have to lose, maybe I should try the South Beach for a while.  All I keep thinking of today is that my health is in jeapordy.  Not only do I have high cholestrol even on meds,  I have asthma, just got it this past year.  I can't even go in stores three days straight or I start having problems.  I have porokeratosis, just got it this past year although that has nothing to do with my weight.  I have leg issues, one doctor thinks I have RLS, another doc says I'll be in a wheel chair by the time I'm 60 if I don't lose weight soon.  So I really got to get my head on straight and figure it out.  I feel like I'm running out of time.   

Thanks for letting me vent tonight.   I hate posting like this, I feel like I'm throwing a pity party on myself which I'm not, I just got to figure what works for me other than bariatric foods. (I"ve lost 100 pounds on it before).  Cause I just can't afford it with four kids!

Have a good evening!   


mwy
on 2/13/08 2:03 pm, edited 2/13/08 2:05 pm
Pity Party?  Girl, when I was going through all of this alone and ignut, I would have loved to have a great place like this to come to where people who have won this battle could give me a little help to make it through the stress of it all!  And not every diet works for every person.  Until the processed foods knock your cells out of whack from abuse, a low fat diet works for you.  Then it calls for a whole different approach.  And no offense to being on bariatric foods, but even they are meant to be a short term answer till surgery.  They definitely are not a lifestyle change.  That's just a pound lost weighting to be regained if you don't have surgery! This is just a suggestion.  Go to the Atkins site and join a class and a forum.  They are worth their weight in gold...they're free! With four kids, you can cook meat and salad or vegetables for all of you and then just add an entree for the kids.  It really is the fastest weight loss for special people like us.  And I think if you get some of the weight off and start having a few victories for a change, it will make a world of difference to your mind set.  Not to mention your health. You can do this girl, we're here for you! Mary 
Chris I.
on 2/13/08 9:06 pm
"There is no cure for insulin resistance." I disagree.  All DS patients who had diabetes, insulin resistance, PCOS or the many other names for similar issues all report to be 100% cured.  The actual statistics are like 92% success rate in curing diabetes. I suspect most doctors would say it puts it into remission but I'd call that a cure.  They RNY doesn't have those success rates. I am not sure if that is because of the diet requirements of the DS or because of the rerouting of the intestines.  I suspect it's both plus the weight loss.  Most DSers do end up going back to eating carbs later on and they still show no signs of diabetes so it can't all be diet related.

 -=- CHRiS aka "Butterfinger Ho" -=-   

    
                                         40 lbs lost while pursuing surgery.
  
mwy
on 2/14/08 12:59 am
Chris..."There is no cure for insulin resistance."  You even contradicted your own statement when you said that DS patients are cured but not RNY patients.  It can only be controlled.  Once those cells stop accepting insulin, if you keep eating high processed, refined carbs, which probably got them to the point of being dysfunctional in the first place, they will forever remain closed.  The best you can hope for is to eat low carb to to get the cells to accept the fuel and convert it into energy.  And exercise aids that in happening because you are pulling energy from those cells which forces them to convert the protein. And trust me, I have the most severe case of PCOS that my endocrinologist has ever heard of.  I didn't have a period for eighteen months at a time  ( sorry Dude! ).  So when we were talking about me having WLS she said that it wouldn't stop the problem.  Her standard mantra...diet and exercise to control it.  And on the PCOS Board on this site, they say that the RNY is what helps PCOS symptoms be controlled the most.   And at the risk of saying something negative about DS, cuz I know you are so enamored of it, remission is not a cure!!!  And if I'm going to be eating low carb my whole life, why redirect my guts for fast weight loss.   And ya know, as crazee as this may sound, I was a very healthy fat girl!  Even with outta control PCOS and insulin resistance, my stats were all great.  So I was ok with taking the long road. Crying Into Tissue That long lonely highway that led to me being kinda cute! Mary
JerseyGirl1969
on 2/14/08 1:07 am - Milford, NJ
On reversing IR:

Can You Reverse Insulin Resistance?http://www.sciencebasedhealth.com/sbh/resCen/newsletter/01-06_newsletter.asp

Yes! According to Dr. Gerald Reaven who chaired the World Congress meeting, about 50% of insulin resistance and the metabolic syndrome can be attributed to underlying genetic susceptibility, while inactivity and being overweight contribute about 25% each. Physical activity and weight loss make the body more responsive to insulin. Exercise makes muscle cells more sensitive to insulin because they need it for energy. And reducing extra fat tissue around the middle is especially helpful because the fat distributed there is more metabolically active.


mwy
on 2/14/08 1:28 am
Yep, I'm reverted all to hell and back...but I ain't cured.  I thank God for the doctor who figured this out for me years ago.  Otherwise I'd be five hundred pounds by now.   After I had my Breast Reduction surgery and was laid up, my DH was in charge of my diet.  Talk about a revolution.  I had all of the meals frozen and ready to heat.  In his great wisdom, he decided that it was easier to order pizza, or get fried shrimp poboys.  I haven't eaten pizza in YEARS...and didn't even miss it!  I gained fifteen pounds in two weeks on 'The Easy Diet'.   I found out the hard way that my doc knows what she's actually talking about, cuz feeling like a slug was miserable after having all of that energy! And talking about the midsection, why is it that it's the first place a pound shows on me?  When I was huge, all of my weight was carried in my big ol boobs and belly.  Now I eat one shrimp poboy and it's like a growing blob.  Maaaan! Thanks, Mary
Chris I.
on 2/14/08 1:38 am
I didn't say RNY patients weren't cured. I said the RNY didn't have those success rates. If the RNY helps control the symptoms the most then I would say the DS will control the symptoms even more if not completely. Remission is what the docs say because they don't want to believe there is a cure.  DSers do not eat as low-carb as you will have to eat for the rest of your life.  The reason for having the DS is not just for fast weight loss.  Hell you can do Atkins for fast weight loss and lose at the same speed as a DSer or RNYer. The difference is the surgery restricts you early on so you are forced to not put so much in your mouth.  That's the real reason it's fast, not the mabsorption. The malabsorption helps you later on down the road when you can eat like a normal person.. huh.. in fact....it allows you to absorb more like a normal person.  Rearranging your guts and pulling out some parts is to correct the absorption and hormonal issues that you have.  I will see what I can do about finding some studies or real life examples of people who no longer struggle with PCOS or insulin resistance after having had the DS. There are a LOT of healthy fat people. Despite my thyroid condition and my borderline hypertension I'm pretty damn healthy myself. I mean, after all, how many 300 pounders do you know that can hike 10 miles?  I could have done that a year ago 330lbs too.  In most obese people it's time that is the killer.  Being overweight over more than half their life is usually what kills them.  Then again there always exceptions to the rule who go their whole life fat and don't really develop any sort of problems.  Life is full of contradictions. 

 -=- CHRiS aka "Butterfinger Ho" -=-   

    
                                         40 lbs lost while pursuing surgery.
  
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