kRIZ...Atkins discussion....

She is JERSEYGIRL, hear her ROAAARRRRRR!!  

There must be 50 ways to lose your blubber (wasn't that a song?) And, Kriz, i did not wake up like this...it was years of pioneering, trying it this way, then that. Tracking my food, not tracking my food. Eating plenty, restricting calories, where did I land after all that? Eating a balanced diet, moderate portions.  Who knew.  You may end up somewhere else...maybe Atkins is your bag. One last word of caution:  do NOT count on being able to eat all you want on it...that is a tall order. The math still applies, calories in, calories out.  if you beleive someone *really* ate only 900 calories a day and did not lose, you can beleive me when I say you CAN get fat...and stay fat...on healthy food. A calorie is a calorie is a calorie. Some satiate you more, others, like a sieve, but the value is still there. Whatever a person chooses, it will, perhaps must be, at least somewhat different from whatever you are doing now = discomfort.  That is the part that is hard to reckon with. The donwannas. I know plenty of people who never exercised in their lives, still lost weight. Go figger...try it all!

"if you beleive someone *really* ate only 900 calories a day and did not lose" For me this was true.  I stuck to medifast 100%, lost 14lbs first two weeks and did not lose any more for months though I adhered to the program.  I averaged 800-1200 calories....

Wow, this post really took off.  I really just had to add I really liked what Andy and Necee had to say.  First, know matter how you look at it, calories is what makes a difference.  That's all it boils down too.  So with that in mind all (or some) of us can't seem to keep those calories down.  Hence what Andy is saying.  No matter what diet you go on, what life style you take, if calories are down and you keep it down, you will most likely lose.  But what holds us back is our head issues, us wanting more of something, ect.    I'm not gonna sound like a broken record so I'm not going to get into it.  But I do know that I know that I do know how to eat right, I know how to lose weight, I know how to exercise, I've been to doctors, I've been to nutritionists, I've had years experience at this.  But when it comes down to it, it's my behavior, it's my moods, it's my mind telling me to do it, or just do it without even thinking!  I have just recently had just a "few" episodes where I put down my plate and said that was enough.  Or turned down a piece of cake in front of me because I just realized I wanted it for the taste,  not because I was hungry.  It's definately a work in progress, one that I'm working on.  But man, does it feel good actually turning those things away and saying "I have control over what I eat".  "I can eat a piece of that cake if I want".  "I can eat pizza if I want".  I'm now eating everything I want, whenever I want, knowing that it's not going anywhere.  Food is not becoming exticnt!  It will still be there next time we want a piece of that candy.  So it's ok just to take one or two bites and go on with our day.  Can you say you can actually do this?  It will be like this after surgery also.  I'm aiming on going to see a councelor, but until then all I can do is read and "think" before every bite I take in.  

THis is where I feel like I'm learning more than any kind of nutrition guide. I'm sure you know how to eat too, it's just we refuse to eat correctly.

If it were about calories in and calories out then that would suggest it doesn't matter where the calories come from...they could come from candy corn and one would still lose weight.  If it were about calories only, one wouldn't eat more to repair their metabolism (recommended by endocrinologists), there would be no such thing as the "starvation theory" and people would not lose weight eating more to fire their metabolism...   But they do, so that means it's sometimes about calories, very much about food choices, and sometimes about metabolism. Holly, unlike you, I never felt that I had a problem with food.  The world suggested I did, I bought into it, and it made me have issues.   But I wasn't sitting there eating junk food to get fat. Some have different issues than you, it's not an all inclusive game.

First of all I never said my issues were the only issues.  I was just talking about it from my point, which is what everyone does on this board.  I was talking to Chris actually not you,  about that he loves his chips, and he more or less has to eat them when he goes into the restaurant.  That to me indicated that he does what I do, is eat a lot of something that he loves without resisting it, or without realizing that "it's ok to only eat one or two".  He feels like he needs to stay away from them completely or eat a bunch of them, one or the other.  Which is actually what I usually do too.  But like what Necee said, food is out there and enjoy it, eat it balanced and in moderation.  

I'm also extremely happy that I'm finding that it's okay to eat anything without feeling guilty about it.  It causes a lot of us to binge.

Anyway, I really didn't appreciate you jumping down my throat thinking it's all "me, me, me".  I don't come on this board to be patronized and accused of having such "food problems".  After all, we don't get fat for nothing.  Sorry, you must be the exception.

 

What?  I didn't jump down your throat at all.  Just responded to you.  Didn't think it was you being me me me. Strange interpretation.

"about that he loves his chips, and he more or less has to eat them when he goes into the restaurant.  That to me indicated that he does what I do, is eat a lot of something that he loves without resisting it, or without realizing that "it's ok to only eat one or two".  He feels like he needs to stay away from them completely or eat a bunch of them, one or the other.  Which is actually what I usually do too. " Oh, that's what you were saying! lol somehow I didn't read it all correctly.. But yes! that's it! It's ALL and gobs more  or NONE at all. I can't eat just 1 or 2 and be satisfied.  Have no friggin clue why. If I get a taste then I'll be craving them more and more and more! One thing I've found that works is to ask the waiter to bring only 1/2 a basket to share between the wife and I and then to bring no more out.  That works.  It's something to do with seeing the empty basket I think.

"it's ok to eat only one or two". Sorry this is late (I'm away and this computer drives me a tad crazy). Yanno Holly.. this is an excellent point.  I think everyone is guilty of this whether it be an oversized piece of cheese cake, an extra spoon of icecream or in my case.. the WHOLE darned steak instead of just enough to stop being hungry.  It's OK to "taste" :)  I think we're all programmed that a portion is whatever landed on our plates, and in this country everything is about excess and plenty so when I order a steak, I end up with half the cow on my plate.. that doesn't mean I have to eat it!  Good!  Thanks.. good to be reminded of these things!

What?  the world suggested nuttin...you ate too much. For YOU. Why debate if it was 900 cals or 3500? You ate too much. All analysis aside, that is the equation.  And, I am no more advocating for eating a whopper any more than you are to eat a plate sized mignon. The difference between the two? a slather of secret sauce and a goddam bun...are you kidding my leg? No diff, my friend. I eat a whopper 1x annual. That ain't makin my butt spread.