Lori-- a response

Jupiter6
on 1/21/08 12:07 am, edited 1/21/08 12:07 am - Near Media, Pa- South of Philly, NJ
For some reason I couldn't post this in your thread below...

 "Oh sweet and sour Jesus, that is GOOD!" - Stephen Colbert  Lap RNY 7/07-- Lap Gallbladder 5/08--  
     Emergency Bowel Repair
6/08 -Dr. Meilahn, Temple U.  
 Upper and Lower Bleph/Lower Face Lift 
12/08 
     Fraxel Repair 2/09-- Lower Bleph Re-Do 5/09  -Dr. Pontell, Media PA  Mastopexy/Massive 
     Brachioplasty/ Extended Abdominoplasty 
(plus Mons Lift and Upper Leg lift) / Hernia Repair
      6/24/09 ---Butt Lift and Lateral Thighplasty Scheduled 7/6/10
 - Dr. Ivor Kaplan VA Beach
      
Total Cost: $33,500   Start wt: 368   RNY wt: 300  Goal wt: 150   Current wt: 148.2  BMI: 24.7

Jupiter6
on 1/21/08 12:08 am, edited 1/21/08 12:09 am - Near Media, Pa- South of Philly, NJ
I wrote:

I was teasing, Lori-- there's some backstory there-- many DSers like to put down RNYers because they feel they found a superior surgery and that we're less than wise. I prefer to think I made the best decision I could for myself based on the information I had (which was considerable.) It gets very tedious after a while...I like to kid Chris about it.
RNY surgery "works" for just about everyone-- for the initial honeymoon year. You could literally eat what you like (in small amounts) and probably have pretty good results-- many do. I approach it as an extension of my pre-op diet, and it generally only offers me the security of a "safety net" if I should ever fall off course-- which happens remarakbly infrequently.

I still account for every morsel I pop in my face. Every day I tweak balances, add items, look for better ways to improve my nutrition *and* eat yummy things-- it wouldn't work if I didn't love the food, but luckily I do. I eat more of many different kind of things instead of the same old McPoop I ate pre-op. I eat much better quality food, but in smallish amounts.

Last night I had chicken cordon bleu with a mustard sauce, sauteed green beans, and SF FF cheesecake with berry preserves-- life's not so bad, I promise!
But like I said, this is the easy part. This year is a given. It's the rest of my life that looms largest n my legend-- I hope that by learning everything I can and developing good habits now, I can do this, one day at a time, for life. Time will tell.

 "Oh sweet and sour Jesus, that is GOOD!" - Stephen Colbert  Lap RNY 7/07-- Lap Gallbladder 5/08--  
     Emergency Bowel Repair
6/08 -Dr. Meilahn, Temple U.  
 Upper and Lower Bleph/Lower Face Lift 
12/08 
     Fraxel Repair 2/09-- Lower Bleph Re-Do 5/09  -Dr. Pontell, Media PA  Mastopexy/Massive 
     Brachioplasty/ Extended Abdominoplasty 
(plus Mons Lift and Upper Leg lift) / Hernia Repair
      6/24/09 ---Butt Lift and Lateral Thighplasty Scheduled 7/6/10
 - Dr. Ivor Kaplan VA Beach
      
Total Cost: $33,500   Start wt: 368   RNY wt: 300  Goal wt: 150   Current wt: 148.2  BMI: 24.7

Future Legend
on 1/21/08 1:15 am - SC
Well.. that said.. your menu sounds so much more decadent than mine!  LOL  Then again I do enjoy eggs and meat, and quite frankly for me it's much easier than the so called "healthy" way I was trying to eat. When I think about what a piece of cheesecake would do to me I nearly cringe.  I got my A1c down to 6.7 which isn't perfect.. but dayemmmmmmm it's not a 10. I've run into my own share of naysayers and to them I say "it's not for everyone, but it certainly IS for me".
Jupiter6
on 1/21/08 6:36 am - Near Media, Pa- South of Philly, NJ
You absolutely CAN eat cheesecake. Try this: 1 box SF FF Jello Pudding- Cheesecake Flavor 2 cups cold skim milk 8 ounces of Fat Free Cream Cheese Mix in a blender and pour into 5 1/2 cup containers.  Calories 85g Fat 0 Carbs 11g (mostly from milk) Protein 9g Top with a tablespoon of No Sugar Added preserves--- adds only 10 calories.

 "Oh sweet and sour Jesus, that is GOOD!" - Stephen Colbert  Lap RNY 7/07-- Lap Gallbladder 5/08--  
     Emergency Bowel Repair
6/08 -Dr. Meilahn, Temple U.  
 Upper and Lower Bleph/Lower Face Lift 
12/08 
     Fraxel Repair 2/09-- Lower Bleph Re-Do 5/09  -Dr. Pontell, Media PA  Mastopexy/Massive 
     Brachioplasty/ Extended Abdominoplasty 
(plus Mons Lift and Upper Leg lift) / Hernia Repair
      6/24/09 ---Butt Lift and Lateral Thighplasty Scheduled 7/6/10
 - Dr. Ivor Kaplan VA Beach
      
Total Cost: $33,500   Start wt: 368   RNY wt: 300  Goal wt: 150   Current wt: 148.2  BMI: 24.7

Future Legend
on 1/21/08 9:46 am - SC
I just read that recipe to my xhub and he nearly had an ******!  (Can I say that here).  FINALLY .. something that excites him! I can't do the carbs.. I keep mine as close to zero as possible, but do you think I can do this with whole milk or even better.. half n half.. and regular cream cheese?  I'd like to try it.  I'm not worried about the calories.. in fact, I know I'm not eating enough of them lately because I'm really trying to get the loss into high gear, but a treat like that once in a while would be lovely. At this point, all I do for a treat is sugar free jello with whipped cream I make with splenda.
Jupiter6
on 1/21/08 12:12 pm - Near Media, Pa- South of Philly, NJ
Is zero carb eating a great idea?  Think about this: as the type of animals we are we're built to consume fruit and vegetable carbs. Carbs become "dangerous" as they get processed, or further from source. Even after RNY surgery and eating a couple ounces at a shot, I was required to have no less than 50 carbs a day. Carbohydrates provide necessary energy to run the power plant!

 "Oh sweet and sour Jesus, that is GOOD!" - Stephen Colbert  Lap RNY 7/07-- Lap Gallbladder 5/08--  
     Emergency Bowel Repair
6/08 -Dr. Meilahn, Temple U.  
 Upper and Lower Bleph/Lower Face Lift 
12/08 
     Fraxel Repair 2/09-- Lower Bleph Re-Do 5/09  -Dr. Pontell, Media PA  Mastopexy/Massive 
     Brachioplasty/ Extended Abdominoplasty 
(plus Mons Lift and Upper Leg lift) / Hernia Repair
      6/24/09 ---Butt Lift and Lateral Thighplasty Scheduled 7/6/10
 - Dr. Ivor Kaplan VA Beach
      
Total Cost: $33,500   Start wt: 368   RNY wt: 300  Goal wt: 150   Current wt: 148.2  BMI: 24.7

Future Legend
on 1/21/08 8:03 pm - SC

Personally, no.  I don't think that zero (or as close to it as I can get) is a great idea.  For now though, I see it as a means to avoid an insulin response.  Shari, I could NOT lose an ounce while eating carbs and taking insulin to cover it.

I just woke up... my fasting bs was 98.  In my fruit and veggie days I'd wake up with a 250.  I'm not quite sure what I hope to accomplish, or what is even possible at this point..  but could it be that somewhere down the weight loss road the cells that are refusing the insulin delivered glucose might repair themselves? For me, the "sensible" diet made no sense at all.  My pancreas isn't broken... my cells are broken.  So why take insulin when there's already a ton of insulin floating around with no where to go?  When the insulin goes knocking on the cells and can't get in, it assumes I have enough for the energy I need and stores the unused glucose in the fat reserves.  If all things were equal, I'd eat a reasonable amount of carbs knowing that my body would first burn those, then the proteins, then the fat...with exercise of course.  Since all things are not equal, because the delivery system IS working so well, but the acceptance system is not... I skip the carb, and take in double the percentage of fat than protein.  In the absence of fats, proteins would be turned to glucose as well.  An average day will look like 68% fat, 30% protein and 2% carbs. It may sound crazy.. but it's working.  After years of living in this prison.. I found an escape tunnel.  After years of always feeling famished, of being so tired that I could barely get up the energy to take myself to the bathroom, years of my mind being cloudy all the time, and feeling like my entire body was in a vice that was getting tighter and tighter...... I have relief.  No,  I wouldn't recommend that anyone do this without a doctor's supervision..and after doing it for about 5 months, my doctor will be first hearing about it from me when I see him Monday.   I suspect that doing something, ANYTHING will be more well received by him than what I was doing.. which was just laying here waiting to die.. hoping for a fatal heart attack.. going to sleep and praying that I don't wake up.   One day I'll get back to enjoying a few cups of veggies a day.. but that day isn't here yet.. maybe in another 40 lbs or so.  We'll see. 

Chris I.
on 1/21/08 10:57 pm
What type of diabetes is this?  I don't know much about diabetes but I do know that both the RNY and the DS help with type II diabetes. DS claims to cure type II diabetes. I think the actual number is like 92%?? RNY is not far behind that.. somewhere in the 80s I believe. I don't remember why you had decided against WLS but perhaps it's another means to an end. Just a thought. :)

 -=- CHRiS aka "Butterfinger Ho" -=-   

    
                                         40 lbs lost while pursuing surgery.
  
Future Legend
on 1/22/08 2:32 am - SC
The #1 reason why I didn't opt for the surgery.... $   #2 was fear of the unknown.  I knew I had to stay in a hotel by myself until I was well enough to drive.  #3 was PAIN (I don't do well with pain). My appointment for the initial consultation with the surgeon was supposed to be September 18.  Then I had to go through the routine.. the tests and such.  The girl in the office told me I could be on the table within a few weeks of handing them the check.  I didn't sleep the night before.. and woke up with my head on fire.... put it back on the pillow and let it go. I've lost roughly 80 lbs on my own so far.  This morning that scale read 232 and my goal is to get back to bodybuilding weight of 180 for now.  My A1c is 6.7 right now.  My target was 7 so I have the sugar under control. If I can do it without the surgery.. more power to me, baby.  I don't even know why I said "IF"... I AM doing it.  Sure, I want it to happen faster cause patience is a virtue I missed when virtues were being passed out, but I don't think it'll happen any faster even with the surgery.   Personally, IMHO, no surgery or magical pill is going to fix broken beta cells.  Taking off weight WILL help the insulin response though.. especially taking it off around the middle.  As I see it, I have no alternative but to do this without surgery and without medication.  I'm more free to concentrate on diet and exercise when I don't have to worry about how I'm going to pay for insulin. 
brko
on 1/22/08 3:19 am - MO
Where are your beautiful before and after pictures?  Show off your hard work. Brenda
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