If you could
What I see is a bunch of people who hold on to a perception that then clouds their thinking and makes them resist hearing information, so they "blame the messenger".
If there's anything with my approach it is that in message board communication and time short, I write in a direct manner, not mincing words. I find some people take affront to that online, but I don't take it personally. In addition, people may find that when one has convictions that that is too opinionated for them. Well, to me, I'd rather have sound beliefs than be wishy washy. I just read someone advocating WLS and I simply can't. There's too many reasons why it's not a great choice for most people. But no, instead we have to be supportive of every choice, even if that choice is a bad one. Sounds like political correctness to me, and that too is unpalatable. Regardless, I never said anything about my way or the highway, but reiterated the result of information I had obtained from various sources (my trainer, the gym staff, and research) and complimented it by my personal experience. I'm sorry anyone was affronted, but that's their issue, not mine. My whole point is that the research indicates that the most successful way for sustained weight loss is appropriate calories (not diet calories), intense and frequent exercise (not light), and that a diet free of starches offers satiety and the right calories to prevent screwing up one's metabolism. If sharing that information makes me "the bad guy" because it counters what others are doing or have done...whatever. No skin off my back. But when I read posts of "I'm hungry" or "I fell off the wagon" or anything where someone is miserable, I would be amiss if I didn't point out what I have learned--diets fail you more than you fail the diet. The reason is simple. If you're hungry--well, guess what, counter to the diet industry, you should never feel hunger when losing weight. Yes most people think otherwise--that's IMO misinformation. So I share--sufficient protein and fiber will keep you full and you won't have to eat so few calories. If you're falling off the wagon or binging, well guess what? The lack of protein and fiber is causing you to do that, not necessarily you. When I read one poster ate some massive amounts of food--I wanted to share that if she ate like this, she'd avoid such binges because her body wouldn't send her mind the wrong signals. So, I'm the bad guy. Whatever. I know my intent. What I found most interesting with yesterday's drama was how easy it was for some to attack when I never did. Oh...you've only lost 22 (25) lbs. True, but I've never felt hunger and the weight loss is now consistent. That's my experience. Then I shared why it is that way and the information that substantiates it. Then I was attacked with it being about my way. Well it wasn't, it was about the research. And then someone took stuff from my blog and made it as if t hat's what I post here. Well my blog is about my experience. But that was inapporpriate to drag over here.
Why don't people want to hear that? I don't know. The wall is inside them, not me. All I know is that without a doubt I will reach goal and it won't be so hard.
JG,
This is the first post I've read of yours lately and I think you've missed the mark with people's comments. It's not that they are focused on missreading you, they seem to be reading your comments the same as am I. I read this yesterday and reread it with everyone's comments and my initial feelings haven't changed. It sounds from this post alone like your preaching. Maybe if you would have made a simple ideas post on what you are doing and why it would have been received differently. BUT, from what I'm reading above it's preaching that your way is the only way. In the end, people have to find what works for them whether it's going with WW, balanced diet, getting a trainer, or even WLS.
It's great this is working for you, however, it truly isn't the only way. Melinda
My responses were not to everybody, but to the ones saying "I'm hungry." "I'm failing". To the emotional ones, my point was that eating higher protein and eliminating starches will aid emotional state and prevent emotional eating. Let me repeat that, eating higher protein and eliminating starches has been shown to aid emotional state and prevent emotional eating. That's why I've shared the info.
The Low Mood Connection
Low-carb dieters are susceptible to mood swings, according to MIT researchers. The issue involves serotonin, the "feel good" brain chemical that elevates mood, suppresses appetite and acts as a natural tranquilizer.
In news released earlier this year, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Clinical Research Center reported that a lack of dietary carbohydrates causes the brain to stop regulating serotonin. Researchers discovered that serotonin is naturally produced only after consumption of carbohydrates in the form of sweets and starches.
In the 1970's, MIT professor Richard Wurtman and colleagues first showed that eating carbohydrates raises brain serotonin levels. Since then, additional studies at MIT, including those by Dr. Judith J. Wurtman, have explored the relationship between carbohydrates in the brain and their connection to mood and weight loss. Dr. Wurtman states in a February MIT press release that "When serotonin is made and becomes active in your brain, its effect on your appetite is to make you feel full before your stomach is stuffed and stretched." The researchers explain that people may still feel hungry after eating a large steak-their stomachs may be full but their brains may not be producing enough serotonin to shut off their appetites.
It's not unusual for people who are changing their eating patterns or embarking on any kind of diet to experience episodes of irritability. However, according to Psychology Today, many who are trying testing low-carbohydrate regimens are reporting unusually high feelings of anger, tension and depression. Dr. Wurtman claims that that it's a very well documented response-she calls it the "Atkins attitude". Dieters who have eliminated or reduced dietary carbohydrates may find that their low mood is combined with irritability if the diet is heavy on protein, and/or combined with a lack of energy if the diet is heavy on saturated fats.
Are certain people more susceptible to low mood? According to Wurtman, some people are "carbohydrate cravers" -- they tend to experience a change in their mood, usually in the late afternoon or early evening -- and they need to eat a certain amount of carbohydrates to keep their moods steady. And although both men and women can experience low mood when cutting carbs, women are more likely to feel the effects because they are known to have typically lower levels of serotonin in their brains than men.
Because of her research, Wurtman believes that low-carb diets may be dangerous for individuals who are already struggling with depression or bipolar disorder. In an Oxford study involving women, researchers did find that those who had a predisposition to mood disorders exhibited a measurable drop in mood when following a low-carb regimen, but reported that other subjects on the diet did not seem to be impacted.
Of course, the pharmaceutical solution to depression and mood disorders is the use of antidepressant drugs. These are designed to help regulate mood by keeping serotonin production active in the brain for extended periods, accomplished via an unnatural mechanism that prevents the cellular reuptake of the brain chemical (which is why most of these medications are known as "SSRIs", for "selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors"). St. Johns Wort is a popular herbal solution that also mimics the unnatural mechanism of SSRIs because the herb's active ingredient, hypericin, increases circulating levels of serotonin by also selectively preventing its cellular reuptake.
There are natural alternatives that can assist in regulating mood by playing a similar role as carbohydrates in serotonin production. Low-carb dieters who are experiencing low mood might consider taking specific vitamins that are known to help boost serotonin naturally. Important nutrients like selenium, several B vitamins (thiamine, riboflavin, pyridoxine, folic acid, biotin, etc.), and vitamin D have been shown to help increase the enzyme supply that converts certain amino acids into serotonin.
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I would also counter that "many who binge eat or emotional eat have a neurochemical imbalance." Please back that up if you can. I do agree that carbs have the seratonin component, but when you combine that with the addictive nature, it's often like people are self medicating and that it fuels the need to continue doing so..
However, from what I've read AND experienced, the satiety of protein combined with the removal of the addictive reaction to starches eliminates the emotional low that makes many think they need the starches to self medicate. Layman's explanation.
eh not worth my time going back and forth with you. i'll post my dissertation when i finish. whole sections on the idea of food as an addiction - very controversial - nowhere near being generally accepted by the scientific community.
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