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Neecee O.
on 7/20/07 6:33 am - CA
about the differences between food obsession/compulsion/additcion! I loved the thread you guise had going.  I am SO intrigued by folks who say they are not addicted yet have little success in keeping good habits or maintaing weight loss!   Anyone have anything else to add?
Chris I.
on 7/20/07 7:04 am
I'm addicted to food and being full.. not sure what else to say..    Not sure if the addiction is a true addiction to the food or the psychological side affects of the food.   Damn shame though.. I sure hate feeling "held back" because of my size.

 -=- CHRiS aka "Butterfinger Ho" -=-   

    
                                         40 lbs lost while pursuing surgery.
  
Neecee O.
on 7/20/07 12:15 pm - CA
kriz..my promise to you is that someday when you least expect it..you WILL hate that over full feeling.   These days I almost get a panic attack when I get there. I'm cereal as oatmeal.  I used to go for that feeling. It took me aback a bit when I read DonnaMarie say that she circumvents that ick factor by grazing. I now realize I have been gulity of that too. This all takes time, you are on a path.  I am so proud of you for trying now while you are young. You have no idea how great an impact this knowledge, as hopeless as you feel this minute feels, is changing YOU.
Chris I.
on 7/20/07 12:48 pm
Thanks Neecee. Been missing you, by the way!  I believe you.... actually a part of me really hates that overstuffed feeling but it only hates it once I get there because the other part that hates the unfull feeling usually wins. Tonight I went to wally-world and decided to buy some clothes for work. I ended finding some motivation to continue my journey.  I tried on a 2x shirt and it fit but a little snug when I sat down so I bought some 3x for extra comfort.  Still though, a 2x fit!  Even better is that I tried on some size 42 pants and they fit perfect!!   So I headed over to the food section to buy lots of water. Ended up buying some whole grain items as well.  Let's hope this motivation continues long enough to get me back on track.    I didn't eat very much today.  The choices I made weren't the best nutrionally but I never felt that overstuffed feeling today.  Tonight at wal-mart I started feeling extremely hungry. The kind of hungry that makes you tummy feel a little upset.   I made a ham sandwich when I got home with the whole grain bread, some romaine lettuce, garden fresh tomatoes (literally from the garden) and lean ham.  OMG it was so awesome!! I think tomatoes made it though.. They're soo good! lol.. so I digress off topic a bit.. :)

 -=- CHRiS aka "Butterfinger Ho" -=-   

    
                                         40 lbs lost while pursuing surgery.
  
JourneytoHealth
on 7/20/07 7:26 am, edited 7/20/07 7:26 am - Non-OP

Well, since I’m one of the ones who said that I’m not addicted let me jump right in.  I think there is a distinct difference between a bad habit and an addiction.  And, for me that difference is compulsion.  Although both a food addiction and bad eating habits can lead you to the same result – obesity -- the person who is compelled will have a much more difficult time controlling or stopping the behavior.  Consequently the addicted person may continue the behavior even though said behavior is causing life threatening conditions or even imminent death.  A person who is facing amputation of a limb if they don’t lose weight and yet continue to gorge themselves, is in my opinion addicted to food. The behavior may have been triggered by emotion but is now fueled by a physical need. People who overeat but are not addicted to food overeat for a lot of different reasons.  Quite often the reason they overeat has nothing to do with being hungry or that food tastes good.  Something else may be going on that has absolutely nothing to do with food.  The behavior is triggered by emotion and fueled by unresolved conflict and habit.

~Tali~

 
Neecee O.
on 7/20/07 12:23 pm - CA

You said:  A person who is facing amputation of a limb if they don’t lose weight and yet continue to gorge themselves, is in my opinion addicted to food. The behavior may have been triggered by emotion but is now fueled by a physical need.  Oh very good, JTH! let me think about that concept more...I should have more later on that. That is the closest that anyone who says they are "not addicted" has come to date. I have pondered the idea that people who call themselves addicted are actually far less so. i am here to tell you that that person you describe above was once like you, playing with fire, not in the flames. . . where is that line...where IS IT?

Again, good job.

JourneytoHealth
on 7/20/07 1:55 pm - Non-OP
Okay Neecee, humor me.  First, what does JTH mean?  Maybe if I knew what that means I can figure out just how sarcastic your reply is.  Or maybe you weren't being sarcastic, I really don't know.  So, please break it down for me.

~Tali~

 
Neecee O.
on 7/20/07 2:08 pm - CA
Journey to health = JTH No, not sarcastic...I meant it. It was an interesting view, and seriously began to illustrate the difference between being addicted and merely an over eater.  i am baffled by those who claim not addicted/compulsive/obsessive. It's not good enough for me to hear i just over eat.  i mean, well, no ****don't we all.  Your reply came the closest to why anyone would ever say that.
Neecee O.
on 7/20/07 2:11 pm - CA
I have a friend who goes to AA...and she is an ametuer, trust me....I drink WAAAY more than she would ever dream of. Volume and frequency considered.  I am serious...who among us are underestimating our addiction/compulsion/obesssion, and who is over doing it?  Do you read me???/
JourneytoHealth
on 7/20/07 9:45 pm - Non-OP
LOL -- I racked my brain trying to figure out what the heck JTH meant.  Girl, my name is TALI, don't try to confuse me. I think part of the problem is that we have become a society of labels.  We want to compartmentalize everything and everybody --  it makes us more comfortable when we can put a label on something.  But, it get's very confusing, especially when we're labeling a person's eating habits.  Addicted to food?  Hell, when you think about it we're all addicted to food if the definition is "an overwhelming desire to consume food" -- even a newborn has an overwhelming desire for food.  Maybe when you throw in the words "in massive quanties even when you're not hungry".  So maybe the definition of food addiction is -- "an overwhelming desire to consume food in massive quanties even when you're not hungry".  At one time or another just about everyone in the U.S. does that -- think about Thanksgiving dinner.  So maybe if you throw in the word "habitually".  So maybe the definition of food addiction is -- "an overwhelming desire to habitually consume food in massive quanties even when you're not hungry".  But, what about the person who thinks about food constantly even though they hardly ever eat it, or eat it an throw it back up.  So, does the definition change to an overwhelming desire to habitually consume food in massive quanties even if you rarely eat it or eat it and throw it back up".  Oh, excuse me that's isn't a food addictiton, that 's anorexia and bulimia.  Okay, I'm starting to really confuse myself so I'm going to go workout.

~Tali~

 
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