My Rutledge experience

gawdess559
on 5/11/08 3:34 pm - Canada
Hey Its not just you, its everyone here, I mean, Im being virtually told off becasue I have a differing opinion. Almost everyone here thinks hes all high and mighty, when hes not. The weight loss you guys experienced is because of YOU, not him. I wrote here to give another opinion, because everywhere yo usee, its always praises, and Ive found out some intersting things on searshing the man himself, and not the surgery. The yahoo groups I found werent helpful because when I went to post my opinion, I was trown out of the group, and it made me wonder how many other people were pushed aside because of a negative opinion. As for Scott who said that 999 out of 1000 would say that he was amazing, not true, I posted this note on another forum on here, and many other people have the same opinions as I do. Furthermore, yeah your right, 3 deaths out of 4000, for HIM. He even admitted that he had trained other doctors to perform the surgery and htey were losing patients. The surgery was performed over 4000 times, but not by him, the deaths that I am talking about are for the MGB in general. He worked for you guys, thats fine, but myself, Im going for the RNY becasue after what I saw and felt and experienced, I would not want to be under his knife, especially the things I read about him. Furthermore, not enough research has been done about the surgery in the long run. There are quite a few people that had the surgery 7-10 years ago that have gained the weight back and are experiencing several health problems due to the surgery. Also shame on me for putting this up incase it scared people away? I think the other way, people are smart and can think for themselves, they should have more than one opinion being spread around them. they should hear good opinions and bad before they make their decision. I just happen to be playing devils advocate. its hard to find bad news on rutledge.. why? becasue he gets his employees to get rid of the notes ect... he covers his tracts. If a person REALLY wants the surgery, they should hear about ALL aspects of the surgery and the man himself. like I said, even if this prooves to be teh best surgery years down the road, its like a watch... or any product or service. you wouldnt buy the best thing out there, if your server was a douche.
songbirdwoman
on 5/12/08 4:11 am - 'St. Marys, Canada
As I had said before, each person has the 'right' to their opinion, including you.  What I am reading in what you are saying is not just your opinion, but it is the style in which you express your opinion.  You carry alot of anger and lash out with such venom when you feel someone has let you down.   This is one situation in your life.  Is this also the same pattern you demonstrate with others in your life when you feel hurt , unjustified or let down?  Think about it.  It's really sad, just how angry and bitter you truly are.   Anger is a secondary emotion as a result of some other feeling.  It could be fear, guilt, shame, hurt.  Sometimes, it is easier to be angry than to feel the feelings underneath anger which makes it alot safer to lash out. For what ever reasons, you have had to learn to survive and not feel safe in the world.  That is not a bad thing.  It just is.  Underneath all that anger is just a scared little girl who has been hurt and let down by adults in her life.   That little girl needs acceptance, nurturing and love and you are the only person who can give that to her.  I am sorry to hear about your Dad's struggle with liver disease.  My brother passed away ten years ago, 12 weeks after his second liver  transplant and my husband had a liver transplant four years ago.  My husband was in a coma going into transplant and he is doing so well. I understand what they go  through and how difficult it can be for family members.  I hope he has a good hepatologist that is on the ball.  I don't know where you live but London, Ontario has one of the best transplant units in North America.  Not everyone who goes to the transplant clinic in London need a transplant but they are right up to par in  technology and treatment.  I will keep him, yourself and the rest of your family in my prayers.  Linda
Patricia H.
on 5/12/08 12:52 pm - Charlotte, NC

Hey Emma,

I'm Patty, a post-op from 2003. Everyone's entitled to an opinion - I've often been blasted because my opinion is different from the mainstream too. That said, facts are facts and one needs to isolate the issues. I've learned over the years to focus strictly on my MGB surgery and what it has done for me.  It's too bad that you aren't being openminded to the SURGERY and it's benefits vs the negativity you feel from a person. Perhaps you are not thrilled with Dr. Rutledge but the fact is he is a skilled surgeon with a heck of a lot more experience in rearranging plumbing than any RnY surgeon I've heard of. As for old timers gaining weight...you presumably haven't joined the Yahoo groups of DSers, Banders, and RnYers who have gained almost ALL of their weight back. It is true, we regain, and that is no secret. It is in our manual. The average regain is 20% of the weight one loses. As far as experiencing health problems, you are talking to someone who has had a lot right here - and I can assure you that very little of it has to do with THE MGB! It is ANY weight loss surgery, period! Again, I encourage you to hang around some Yahoo support groups filled with old time RnYers! It would blow your mind. You aren't scaring people away, but I think that before you potentially find yourself in a serious mess for public slander without being able to back up your statements, you should probably try to direct your emotions appropriately and stick to the real issue, and that is you said you felt slighted. Hardly a reason to defame someone's character when you haven't got all of the facts.

Kelbear
on 5/12/08 11:02 pm - sault ste marie , Canada

Emma, I think that you are very misinformed and ignorant.  How dare you say half the things you have said about this surgery and Dr. Rutledge after only hearing him speak for a couple of hours!  I have lost 103lbs in just over 8 months and have not been sick or have had any complication what so ever, and I credit it all to Dr. Rutledge, I didn't do this on my own!  If I could have done it on my own I would have never had surgery!  A lot of the things  you have written about are indeed false and I think you need to do some more research. Like this comment:  

"Furthermore, yeah your right, 3 deaths out of 4000, for HIM. He even admitted that he had trained other doctors to perform the surgery and htey were losing patients."  

And you have many more "ignorant" comments through your post.  You go ahead and have the RNY!  It just may end up being the biggest mistake you will ever make, or you can diet and exercise!

Good Luck with that!

2BOXERS4ME
on 5/20/08 9:33 am - SPRING HILL, FL
Hi!  Let me start by saying I am not here to beat up anyone over there opinions.  I read your posting and I was just wondering if you could provide me with the research info you found so I could look into this surgery (MGB) a little more before making my decision.  Your posting alond with all the others have peaked my interest.  I am really curious how you went from being crazy over him doing the surgery to finding all these negative things aobut the doctor and the surgery.  Thank you all for your time and comments regarding this matter.
songbirdwoman
on 5/13/08 4:10 am - 'St. Marys, Canada
Hi ((((((Emma)))))))), I came across this information on the web put out by Newsweek Showcase who has nothing to do with Dr. Rutledge, The Centre for Laparoscopic Obesity Surgery or anyone who has had or supports the Mini Gastric Bypass surgery.  I copied and pasted it for you.  The reason I am doing this is so that you are well informed about having any kind of weight loss surgery.  It is best to make an informed decision on as much research as possible and to not make a decision about having MGB based on anger. Best of luck to you Emma. Linda Mini Gastric-bypass Weight Loss Surgery 30 Minute Surgery May Resolve Severe Obesity and Help Deal with Deadly Epidemic of Obesity Sweeping Nation

The World Health Organization (WHO) reports that the U.S. obesity epidemic puts millions at risk from obesity related diseases such as diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, heart attack stroke, cancer and more. According to the WHO an escalating epidemic of obesity is sweeping the U.S. and many other countries in the world. Further they state "if action is not taken now millions of people will develop diseases and other serious life threatening health disorders that will lead hundreds of thousands of deaths in America."

Many are now turning to surgery as a treatment for severe obesity. A variety of operations are being offered but the complications and problems of the various types of available surgery leave much to be desired.

The Mini Gastric Bypass (MGB) is a minimally invasive, short, simple, successful and inexpensive laparoscopic gastric bypass weight loss surgery. The operation usually takes an average of 30 min., hospitalization usually less than 24 hours. The Mini Gastric Bypass has been shown to be low risk, it has excellent long term weight loss, there is minimal pain and when necessary can be easily reversed or revised. People from all fifty states across America and around the world are choosing the MGB as the "Best Choice in Bariatric Surgery."

Dr. Rutledge, following a twenty year career as a professor of surgery at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, is the innovative surgeon behind the MGB. Dr. Rutledge is the most highly recommended weight loss surgeon on the independent, nationally recognized ObesityHelp.com web site.

In a recent independent controlled prospective randomized study Dr. Rutledge's MGB was shown to outperform the standard "RNY gastric bypass." In a head to head comparison the MGB had shorter operative times, fewer complications and weight loss as good as or better than the standard "RNY gastric bypass." In addition an independent analysis of the outcomes of the MGB by three certified public accounting (CPA) firms confirm the MGB has excellent weight loss, patient satisfaction and resolution of obesity associated medical illness.

Dr. Rutledge has performed over 2,600 cases and surgeons across the U.S. and around the world are adopting the new MGB technique. Surgeons and hospitals are now offering the MGB in North Carolina, Florida, Michigan, Missouri, Arkansas, California as well as around the world in Mexico, Spain, Brazil and Taiwan. New hospitals are planning to offer the MGB in Louisiana, Texas, Nevada and New York. In Canada the Ontario Health Service is approving patients to come to the U.S. for the MGB. As Susan Bell the 2,000th MGB said "Imagine, my surgery took only 15 minutes, I had no pain, was up and out of bed walking two hours after surgery and was out of the hospital less than 24 hours later!"

Costs are always a major issue. According to a recent USA Today article weight loss surgery usually costs about $24,000. In contrast the total cost for the MGB is only $17,000.

Dr. Rutledge is now proctoring a new surgeon and creating a new hospital site for the MGB in Los Angeles California. For more information visit the web site http://clos.net or call 909-731-0051.

liloldreamer
on 5/14/08 9:34 am - Kelowna, Canada
You suck.  You go on YouTube to try and degrade Dr R.  You obviously are spoiled and think you should get what you want all the time.  Lets look at your post  "I fought to go and see him. So  my parents caved and we drove 5 hours to Toronto, stayed in a hotel" And you pass him off as a jerk because he didn't answer your one question.  I would think that someone who has helped thousands of people  has tonnes of people asking him the same questions over and over.  So if he misses one or two people going to ask the same question then he's a bad Doctor.  Just like you Dr R is a person too who is doing a great service to people who are overweight.  "he was all smiles and took credit for everything, yeah he applauded the people for the amount of weightloss but said several times that he was the cause of that, Im sorry but even if you had surgery, its YOUR success, not just his" "I was finally going to meet the man that would one day save my life." He gave them the tool to help them accomplish their goal. They didn't go up and say Dr R lost my weight, did they?  They said "I LOST....".  Find something better to do Emma. 
gawdess559
on 5/14/08 10:37 am - Canada
I love how its all very cult-ish. how everyone thinks Im over reacting, how everyone pretty much thinks that Rutledge is a God and hes the one responsible for their weight loss, and that the MIni is the best surgery out there. What Im saying is good for you, that you made hte decision, that yo uwent though with it. But for God Sakes you people sound like your in a cult and would drink the spiked punch for this guy. Theres no proof that this is the best surgery out there, and there is proof that there is long term health problems associated with the mini gastric bypass, moreso than other surgeries. As for posting hte article, yeah.. Ive read all that, but Ive also looked into the other side of it aswell, which it seems that you people havent. there is good and bad to everything. As for the comment about me and the RNY, its my choice and Im damn happy that ive made it. At least there is more thourough research about it, and more doctors know about it and its not experimental. its not the type of thing where "oops I took too much out and now youre far to thin" or "Opps, I didnt take enough out and now your still overweight" As for diet and exercise, yeah its not a valid means for losing weight if you are this far gone with obesity, but it does work if you work your ass off. As everyone says, calories in, calories out. If you do the math you CAN lose weight that way, its just not easy, and you wont be NEARLY as successful as with a bariatric surgery. Diet and excercise DOES work, liek I said, it just wouldnt be sucessful to the degree as surgery if you are this far gone, thats what upsets me about the comment. Im being polite in taking you peoples crap here. I voiced my opinion so people can see both sides of a story because alot of people have been black listed from being able to do so, and you are just trying to do the same by posting my full name on youtube under my account. Im not harassing you, or making your life difficult, ALL I DID WAS POST MY OPINION SO PEOPLE CAN SEE BOTH SIDES TO THE STORY which EVERYONE has the right to. If you dont like it, get off the damn internet.
Patricia H.
on 5/19/08 9:08 am - Charlotte, NC
Emma, I don't believe that anyone is trying to sound "cultish", but let's be realistic - you are verbally attacking a skilled surgeon and surgical procedure, one of many types of WLS...so it's fairly logical to say that most responses you get will be pro-MGB. Opinions are one thing and debates (with FACTS) are welcomed, however, you are the one who opened the can of worms. Did you really expect to put out a slamming post as such and NOT get defensive posts in return? Surely you can't be that naive! I don't know you and I don't know your situation, nor am I interested in knowing any more than what you've already exemplified; but I do know people and I have studied psychology. I think I feel fairly safe to say that you and your therapist have a lot more work to do with regards to properly directing your negative energies. There are healthier and polite ways to conduct yourself and still get your point across. Once again, I invite you to do a LOT more homework on all the different types of WLS available. The fact is, we can never be truly prepared for what may, or may not, happen down the road. I'm willing to bet that a majority of the post-ops who say they feel great are still under 5 yrs out. Like life experiences, certain things can only come in time and they cannot be rushed. You are about to alter your natural God-given body through modern medicine. Expect the unexpected, my Dear. And if something does go awry in your future, try not to be too hard on your surgeon! PattyA.
Julie 22
on 5/19/08 3:52 am - NC
Hi Emma.  I am sorry that you had such a bad experience regarding Dr. Rutledge.  I too went to one of his seminars.  The one I attended was here in NC when he still had an office in Statesville.  Honestly, I don't remember too much about the seminar - good or bad.  Fortunately for me a co-worker's wife was also at the seminar.  She is a general surgeon & after the seminar was over, I had a chance to chat with her.  She informed me that the state of North Carolina would not certify Dr. Rutledge.  For me, I will never let a doctor that is not medically board certified, touch me.  And now he no longer operates in NC. I know that there are many that have had surgery by Dr. Rutledge & have had great success & I am glad for them.  But for me, he wasn't going to be worth it.  In the end, I chose to have RNY & I am extremely glad that I did.  Good luck to you in your weightloss journey.  Just make sure that you do a lot of research on all the surgery options & choose the one that is best for YOU!!!
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