Foamies and other Questions
What are foamies
What is meant by a fart and why should i never trust one?
Why do people put thier life and health in the hands of trained specialists and then paste 50 lab results on the forums asking for someone else they do not know nor ever met to give them advice and interpret the results.
Why do you think there are so many on here that post failure of surgery and list 10 things they did wrong then ask what they should do. I ate, I drank, I was compulsive, I smoked, I never exercised, I have not got on the scale in months. I even read one where a guy admitted his depression, anxiety, compulsiveness, and addtictions then blamed the screening process for not weeding him out. I have been jumping through hoops to get this surgery, have talked with dozens of medical staff and with wls recipients and have no illusions about the surgery and the commitment required.
I am baffled by the number of people that still enable themselves after surgery to do the wrong things and then blame the surgery for not fixing them. If there is one thing I have learned from this site, mainly mens site, is this is not an easy way out nor a quick fix and I appreciate all those that offer good personal experience to the knowlege base.
What is meant by a fart and why should i never trust one?
Why do people put thier life and health in the hands of trained specialists and then paste 50 lab results on the forums asking for someone else they do not know nor ever met to give them advice and interpret the results.
Why do you think there are so many on here that post failure of surgery and list 10 things they did wrong then ask what they should do. I ate, I drank, I was compulsive, I smoked, I never exercised, I have not got on the scale in months. I even read one where a guy admitted his depression, anxiety, compulsiveness, and addtictions then blamed the screening process for not weeding him out. I have been jumping through hoops to get this surgery, have talked with dozens of medical staff and with wls recipients and have no illusions about the surgery and the commitment required.
I am baffled by the number of people that still enable themselves after surgery to do the wrong things and then blame the surgery for not fixing them. If there is one thing I have learned from this site, mainly mens site, is this is not an easy way out nor a quick fix and I appreciate all those that offer good personal experience to the knowlege base.
Let me address a few of your questions. First, while I agree with you in theory, the site is for support and although some people may be in our opinion foolish or stupid, they do deserve some support as well. We've all made mistakes and have different abilities to deal with stuff. A support site is about helping where you can and ignoring the others if necessary.
As for the labs, i personally believe that we must educate ourselves and advocate for ourselves. Just because you've found a good bariateic surgeon, does not mean that you have someone knowledgable about nutrition or even able to follow your progress as closely as you can. The medical field is too broad for any one person to be expert in all areas. Unless you learn and watch out for yourself, no one else will. I don't think that most people are looking from medical advice from a stranger, they are looking for guidance from someone who had gone through what hey are going through and may have some valuable insight for them.
A fart is a release of gas from one's anal area in this instance, and should not be trusted since said flatulence can become moist in nature thereby causing an untoward mess in one's pants. In English, be careful when you fart so you don't **** yourself. A fart, in other use on this board is an accomplishment. For example, I had a great fart yesterday when I realized I should never trust a fart. For other information on farts, I would refer you to our resident fart expert, Don.
The foamies is the feeling just before you toss your cookies. It's the foamy saliva that signals you are about to Ralph, a common occurrence for many RNY patients.
I hope this helps. And good luck on your journey. People here will try to support you any way they can.
As for the labs, i personally believe that we must educate ourselves and advocate for ourselves. Just because you've found a good bariateic surgeon, does not mean that you have someone knowledgable about nutrition or even able to follow your progress as closely as you can. The medical field is too broad for any one person to be expert in all areas. Unless you learn and watch out for yourself, no one else will. I don't think that most people are looking from medical advice from a stranger, they are looking for guidance from someone who had gone through what hey are going through and may have some valuable insight for them.
A fart is a release of gas from one's anal area in this instance, and should not be trusted since said flatulence can become moist in nature thereby causing an untoward mess in one's pants. In English, be careful when you fart so you don't **** yourself. A fart, in other use on this board is an accomplishment. For example, I had a great fart yesterday when I realized I should never trust a fart. For other information on farts, I would refer you to our resident fart expert, Don.
The foamies is the feeling just before you toss your cookies. It's the foamy saliva that signals you are about to Ralph, a common occurrence for many RNY patients.
I hope this helps. And good luck on your journey. People here will try to support you any way they can.
KenHud
RNY 5/17/10 highest: 407 lb - maintaining a loss of 200+ pounds and enjoying life
RNY 5/17/10 highest: 407 lb - maintaining a loss of 200+ pounds and enjoying life
I dont think anyone is foolish or stupid at least not intentionally. We have all done foolish and stupid things just ask my ex wife. What concerns me is the level of excuses we allow ourselves to have and the lack of informed consideration people have before surgery. Because of these failures or lack of mental prep it becomes harder for people who are prepared to get approval, less likely for doctors to do revisions and a source of concern for those who are thinking of surgery. I lost count the number of people who blast wls surgery because so and so failed. I know three people personally that failed and encouraged me not to proceed. When I investigated as to why they failed, lack of exercise, little or no dietary change, no support group participation, continue smoking, drank pop like crazy and the list goes on.
This is why I prefer mens forum it is much more about info and less about relationship disasters, the scale fluctuating 5 pounds, or how one poster hates the other poster so lets have a ***** session over how I can post what i want and you can't stop me. This stuff is not helpful at least not to me. I would like to see more guys on here post, i think they have more to offer. Of course 70 percent of wls recipients seem to be women.
This is why I prefer mens forum it is much more about info and less about relationship disasters, the scale fluctuating 5 pounds, or how one poster hates the other poster so lets have a ***** session over how I can post what i want and you can't stop me. This stuff is not helpful at least not to me. I would like to see more guys on here post, i think they have more to offer. Of course 70 percent of wls recipients seem to be women.
I'll just touch on the foamies...The head cases are for other forums.
After RNY you have a pouch for your stomach the size of a walnut!! Not much can go in there. If you eat too fast or too much (or not chew your food well) the pouch may not be able to release the food quickly into the small intestine. When this is the case you will get the foamies. You are still producing saliva as the pouch is full...and are still swallowing it. When there is no place for it to go, you get the foamies...Just like it sounds, it is saliva that can't go anywhere. You may stand in front of the sink or use a cup and have to spit and spit this white foam...Waiting and praying that you can throw up. You may or may not be able to do so!! After some time the object will pass. The food can also get stuck in your throat or get lodged in your pouch. That is why you are taught to chew ALL food to puree before it enters you pouch (at least the first 6 months)...If you forget you will get a wakeup reminder. Also you will feel a lot of pressure on your chest since you are hacking and and trying to cough the object up.
Another thing you should be aware of are strictures. I won't go into great detail...Later I may copy and paste, but if you are getting an RNY you should know about them. They usually occur at about 3 weeks post op. Between 5-7% or RNY patients will get them. It is a closing of the junction between the the pouch and the small intestine. If it occurs you will need to go to a Gastroenterologist and get it resolved. You can ask about strictures on the RNY Fourm.
After RNY you have a pouch for your stomach the size of a walnut!! Not much can go in there. If you eat too fast or too much (or not chew your food well) the pouch may not be able to release the food quickly into the small intestine. When this is the case you will get the foamies. You are still producing saliva as the pouch is full...and are still swallowing it. When there is no place for it to go, you get the foamies...Just like it sounds, it is saliva that can't go anywhere. You may stand in front of the sink or use a cup and have to spit and spit this white foam...Waiting and praying that you can throw up. You may or may not be able to do so!! After some time the object will pass. The food can also get stuck in your throat or get lodged in your pouch. That is why you are taught to chew ALL food to puree before it enters you pouch (at least the first 6 months)...If you forget you will get a wakeup reminder. Also you will feel a lot of pressure on your chest since you are hacking and and trying to cough the object up.
Another thing you should be aware of are strictures. I won't go into great detail...Later I may copy and paste, but if you are getting an RNY you should know about them. They usually occur at about 3 weeks post op. Between 5-7% or RNY patients will get them. It is a closing of the junction between the the pouch and the small intestine. If it occurs you will need to go to a Gastroenterologist and get it resolved. You can ask about strictures on the RNY Fourm.
When I first joined here, I had a hard time figuring out the FART term, then I finally put two and two together and figured out it was the same as a NSV in estrogen-land. But I sat trying to figure out why it was called a fart, so I made up my own acronym for it:
F-friggin' (cleaned up for you guys)
A-awesome
R-reality
T-turn
That is just me though.
As far as the other, I agree with you. I don't have much patience for it. I understand the need to for someone to get on here and complain about thier failures, but I get tired of it everyday. So, I mostly just read the ones that look like something interesting on the Title line.
F-friggin' (cleaned up for you guys)
A-awesome
R-reality
T-turn
That is just me though.
As far as the other, I agree with you. I don't have much patience for it. I understand the need to for someone to get on here and complain about thier failures, but I get tired of it everyday. So, I mostly just read the ones that look like something interesting on the Title line.
HW: 429 SW: 380 Height: 5'08"
All I can say is wait until you are living the Journey before you start judging what other people do. We are all human and wel all make mistakes, fall of the wagon etc. Right now you are very sure of your decision and your resolve is at an all time high. That may not always be the case. You may eat, drink, forget to exercise or make the myriad of mistakes a lot of people have done. They come here for advise and to make themselves accountable. I dont want to sound harsh but remember when we all started out we felt what you are feeling. After the surgery reality sets in and its up to you to make it happen. Some are more successful than others.
You miss the entire point. I have not passed judgement on anyone beyond saying I am concerned and confused about those who fail from lack of being prepared or failure to utilize the tools they are given. If I do not express this concern or curiosity before my surgery I am not uitilizing my tools or preparing myself. People fail, I want to now why. People try and rationalize the behavior that got them here in the first place. I want to know why. People have food addtictions and they are not addressed during the process and before the surgery. I want to know why. This to me is about my life and death not success or failure. If I dont ask the tough questions and only look closely at all the success I will have then you're right maybe I could do stupid harmful things. I do not want to fail because I will die. Waiting until I am living the Journey does not seem to me like preparing myself and in the process asking the questions that many would like and need answers on. Why do people fail and why are people not prepared for the long process they will endure. What more can this forum do to help ensure success?Somewhere there needs to be accountability to improve and truly help future wls individuals. It is my understanding or perhaps my selfish desire that this is what this board is for. I do not believe this is just about picking up the pieces. Falling off the wagon is to be expected but falling of the wagon and eating your refrigerator for the next 6months and then blaming the surgery is not realistic. I want to know why this happens and I dont feel waiting until after the surgery to ask is beneficial for me or anyone else. Why are desperation, hopelessness, lack of empathy, depression, compulsions, and causes of eating disorders not serious enough to fully address before surgery. Again I want to know why. The only person I pass judgement on is myself. No one else got me here. How do I ensure the results I need and what will keep me from trying to kill myself again when I didnt prevent myslef the first time. Blaming my parents, fast food, tv, my job, ,my spouse, my marriage, my life, my appetite, regardless the cause will not fix anything. Unless surgery is going to place me in a bubble, all those things are going to be there after surgery and whatever my demons was it needs to faced and overcome.
Excellent feed back. I am dissappointed in the medical/insurance field that require things such as 6 months of dieting and not 6 months of consecutive counseling. The diets have shown to do very little but counseling on the other hand will at least expose some of the burried issues. I dont necessarily want the process to be more difficult for folks but as all of my posts have revolved aroun engaging others to offer honest heartfelt feedback as you have.
I dont think anyone wants to fail. I do think many are given all the rope they need to hang themselves and ultimately put themselves in a position that they see no way out. That being said sometimes I think the best advice that can be given on here ( and opinions vary) is to tell some of these people they empathize but they need to seek out alternative professional help above all else.
In had a great child hood. As best I can assess myself I just eat. I rarely had the I'm satisfied switch go off it was I am very full trigger. Two hours later I would return for some other tasty morsel it really did not have to be anything in particular. I never hoarded, love all good and bad foods and it just ticks me off why some just stop eating and saying oh i cant eat another bite and I could eat more and more. Damn skinny people. I also questioned and read studies on those that may justify their weight "i have a slow metabolism, I dont eat much." In reality they overeat and once obese it does not take much to keep you there and make it worse. Apart from the occasional thyroid issues, we as a nation keep getting fatter. Nearly all of my dads family will die from it. I have been to countless family gatherings over the years and the fruits amd vegatables were not the favorite dishes.
We have made our lives so difficult and so painful with our weight and we keep dying. I am having surgery so I dont die but the best advice I can ever hope to offer someone is never get to the point where you need it. That being said with all the fat boys outthere this board should be over run with questions and feedback. I have always asked why and question motive drove my parents nuts. It is not because I want to inflict more damage it is because I want to understand and help not enable. Thank you for shairing docd.
I dont think anyone wants to fail. I do think many are given all the rope they need to hang themselves and ultimately put themselves in a position that they see no way out. That being said sometimes I think the best advice that can be given on here ( and opinions vary) is to tell some of these people they empathize but they need to seek out alternative professional help above all else.
In had a great child hood. As best I can assess myself I just eat. I rarely had the I'm satisfied switch go off it was I am very full trigger. Two hours later I would return for some other tasty morsel it really did not have to be anything in particular. I never hoarded, love all good and bad foods and it just ticks me off why some just stop eating and saying oh i cant eat another bite and I could eat more and more. Damn skinny people. I also questioned and read studies on those that may justify their weight "i have a slow metabolism, I dont eat much." In reality they overeat and once obese it does not take much to keep you there and make it worse. Apart from the occasional thyroid issues, we as a nation keep getting fatter. Nearly all of my dads family will die from it. I have been to countless family gatherings over the years and the fruits amd vegatables were not the favorite dishes.
We have made our lives so difficult and so painful with our weight and we keep dying. I am having surgery so I dont die but the best advice I can ever hope to offer someone is never get to the point where you need it. That being said with all the fat boys outthere this board should be over run with questions and feedback. I have always asked why and question motive drove my parents nuts. It is not because I want to inflict more damage it is because I want to understand and help not enable. Thank you for shairing docd.
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