Whatever
Yes it is true that DSers malabsorb fat, and only absorb 20 percent of the fat I eat. But I believe you are mistaken about fat being required to process protein. Protein is processed (in my understanding) first in the mouth, although not chemcially broken down, it is manually chewed. In the stomach it binds with digestive enzymes that break down some of the protein, which continues in the intestines when it comes in contact with the bile and pancreatic enzymes. While fat is an important part of a healthy diet, many people (non WLS) go on extremely LOW FAT diets, and survive for years. Think of all those skinny models who eat 500 calories a day, drink diet coke, and smoke.
Fat does not contain digestive enzymes or anything that helps break down protein. So again, DSers and RNYers are equally ill equipped to handle long term survival situations.
Scott
Fat does not contain digestive enzymes or anything that helps break down protein. So again, DSers and RNYers are equally ill equipped to handle long term survival situations.
Scott
Fat is absolutely required to process protein. Google "rabbit starvation". Rabbits are almost pure protein, but no fat. Eating only rabbit and you will starve to death from protein deficiency. Low fat is not no fat. You don't need as much as most of us eat, but you need some.
http://backacrosstheline.blogspot.com/2007/09/rabbit-starvat ion-syndrome.html
I am not an inexperienced amateur in the field of wilderness survival. I know what I do and do it well.
Rabbit starvation, also referred to as protein poisoning, is the form of acute malnutrition caused by excess consumption of any lean meat (e.g. rabbit) coupled with a lack of other sources of nutrients usually in combination with other stressors, such as severe cold or dry environment. Symptoms include diarrhea, headache, fatigue, low blood pressure and heart rate, and a vague discomfort and hunger that can only be satisfied by consumption of fat or carbohydrates.
Possible mechanisms
- Because of the low fat, essential fatty acids are deficient (linolenic and arachidonic acids - omega 3 and omega 6 unsaturated)
- Lean meat, being mostly protein, must be broken down into amino acids and then converted into glucose (via gluconeogenesis) to be used as an energy source. Although this process takes time, it can be done quickly enough to meet most of the energy requirements of an active person. However, sufficient calories cannot be consumed to meet the added requirements to generate body heat in a cold climate. After the body's energy reserves (fat) are depleted, the energy requirements to sustain basic life processes are not met.
- The ammonia released during the process of converting amino acids into glucose cannot be cleared by conversion to urea unless enough water is consumed to void it. The buildup of ammonia or urea is poisonous.
http://backacrosstheline.blogspot.com/2007/09/rabbit-starvat ion-syndrome.html
I am not an inexperienced amateur in the field of wilderness survival. I know what I do and do it well.
"I refuse to measure success in pounds lost, but rather in life gained!"
Nick
Nick
Right this has nothing to do with the DS or the RNY, Rabbit starvation can happen to anyone...WLS patients, RNYers, VSGers, or DSers. It has nothing to do with needing fat to break down protein (which is not correct) it has to do with the fact that not eating fat and only lean protein can cause you to get the ****s.
****s in a survival situation = dehydration and death.
Scott
****s in a survival situation = dehydration and death.
Scott
There used to be some brutal slapfights between the DS'ers and the RNY'ers back in the day. At least the ones with a vagina. I never saw any men get much involved. But there are some nasty, nasty pieces of work that hang out here.
And I'll second, or third the assertion that it's not just those > 1 year. They just have developed a good enough comfort level to feel like they can show their true ass, where as the noobs are still putting up a good front.
And I'll second, or third the assertion that it's not just those > 1 year. They just have developed a good enough comfort level to feel like they can show their true ass, where as the noobs are still putting up a good front.
The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking....... If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog.
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