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First of all, I have not had the chance to serve in the military, but i do APPRECIATE all of you that have!!!!  You are not taken for granted.


Insofar as insanity with women, the women who have had the DS are ruthless IMHO.

The two gents here who have had it, are great and very helpful (Scott specifically), and they had the DS, but they are supportive of everyone.

I just don't understand it.....i really don't.

Cheers,

T

Come on now surgery wars are fun... LOL

But seriously most veteran DSers had to fight to get the procedure, &
are constantly correcting misconceptions about it. I guess it wear thin on
them after a bit, not a great excuse but it is what it is.

Great Name by the way!!!

I undersstand people having to fight, and people who are passionate, but just reading some of the posters, its seems like they have lost some humanity along with the weight.

Anyway, just an observation, not a reflection of any surgery.

Yeah but what get thin is this constant insistence that their DS is the one and only surgery and everyone else is an idiot for choosing any other surgery. They just don't get that DS, RNY, Lap Band or VSG may not be a good fit for every person. Some can't or shouldn't have one or the other for medical reasons, others for life style reasons. My love of going on survival vacations and living off the land for a few weeks made DS a bad choice for me. I would have to put my life in greater danger to go to some of the places I go to. For example, my ranch is so remote and it rained so hard while I was out there, this year, that I was unable to leave and no one else was able to get in for 5 days. During that time I was beginning to run low on food supplies. Now imagine my being in that spot and out of food and supplements for several weeks. It can happen. Yes, I do keep emergency supplies in the cabin, (MREs) but when I pack up into the mountains I can only pack a few days supplies. If I am stuck up there longer, well, it's what ever happens along for lunch is all I get. I chose RNY as a compromise given the things I like to do. They just don't get that.

dude do you have any sites on survival vacations? I'd love to go on one.

As for suppliments, RNYers (in general) need to take almost as many suppliments as DSers. Not saying that to start a surgery war, but it is the truth. Iron, B12, b complex, multis, calcium, extra D are par for the course for both surgeries.

Scott

True, but the fat requirements are different and wild game that is easy to harvest, such as rabbit would not offer enough absorbed protein, without fat, to survive. I can carry weeks worth of vitamins but not food. I guess I could come close with shake mix, but it wouldn't be all that much like fun for me. As for my adventures, well I have not been on a structured survival vacation since I was 16. I choose a place to go and survive in the wilderness. Mostly on federal and state parks and land.There is still a lot of no-mans land in the US and Canada.

True, as a DSer I'd need at least a 150 to 200 grams of protein a day minimum....but from talking to other RNY men who work out, they seem to try to get in as much protein as I do. The standard seems to be 1 gram of protein per lb of ideal body weight. I know i've gone lower and would lose some muscle mass, but in 2 weeks I wouldn't become a skelton.

Scott

     Having done this to myself I can say from experience that 2 or 3 weeks without enough protein absorbed into the body and all sorts of things happen that spiral you downwards, and left me in very serious medical jeopardy. Most game animals lack much fat and most of the animal that are easy to kill for survival, and most wild plants, have even less. The human body can not process protein without some fat.
     You won't starve in 2 or 3 week but you can stress your body to the point of being life threatening. You DSers require far more fat than us RNYers. You guys only absorb about 20% of the fat you intake. If your meals for 3 weeks were to only have 10% of the normal persons required fat intake you would only absorb a tiny fraction of what you would need to utilize any of your protein intake. This was my concern in not choosing DS. As I said I chose a surgery that I was believed would meet my lifestyle. In reality I have since learned, the hard way, that even RNY was not as great of a choice for this lifestyle as I had thought it would be. Today, I will no longer guide others in extremely remote locations without another experienced guide, for fear that in a stranded emergency, that I may be unable to provide the skills to keep my hunters safe through an extended situation. I know that these situations are rare and unlikely to occur, but none the less I feel no longer qualified to take on the risk of being the sole source of survival skills for others; and I am very conservative with the well being and with risks taking with the lives of others.
    I learned that when your body does not get any protein, or very little protein, for 2 or three weeks you can quickly become light headed, then disoriented and eventually even hallucinatory. Your decisions become clouded and, in my case, I even began to limit fluid intake and became dehydrated as well. Not a good situation by far. It took 2 more months of not catching up with my fluids and proteins, completely, to put me in intensive care. During that time I did not realize what I was doing and my thinking became distorted. I began to obsess on many things including my weight loss. So I ate less and drank less to see more weight loss on the scale.
     After a week in the hospital my mind became unclouded and I began to realize that it all began on my 5 week trip to the ranch a year ago. I didn't eat for days at a time during that trip, though initially I did drink plenty of water, eventually I didn't drink as much as I should during that trip because water was in limited supply. I also was not taking my supplemental vitamins as I should have. It took time to catch up with me but it did. Some of the locations I use to hunt can leave a person stranded for a very long time, weeks or even months, if the weather turns bad enough. Yes, I keep radios with me, and there are medical and emergency rescue people if you need them, but you have to have the presence of mind and rationality to call them.