Banished ...

From the Ontario Forum ... Well it's more like a self imposed exile due to my bad behavior

It seem on the Ontario Forum if you do not accept DS as the best WLS and mention that all WLS have pros and cons, you are not very welcome

Anyway, now I can focus my attention here, where up to now everyone seems very supportive, regardless of the WLS you decided on

Except for a few posts and a lot lurking around, my participation here has been limited, but I hope to change this - Without bringing up WLS options of course!

I know, the DS'ers seem to be really intensely overprotective of their surgery...I don't really know why though. It's exponentially more complicated of a procedure (than any other WLS procedure that is) and you can develop extreme malabsorption issues to rival that if you were to just have no intestines at all. Don't get it, but hey, we all have opinions right?

The garbage you just spewed is the reason DSers get so zealous...to make sure good information is available for preops.  The malabsorbtion issues of the DS rival the RNY, not someone with no intestines.  In fact, DSers absorb Iron and B vits much better then RNYers because we have part of our  duodenum in our intestinal track.  On the other hand we malabsorb ADEK at a higher rate (although if you've had the distal RNY, it's pretty close).  If you read the other forums there are RNYers who have chronic iron and B-12 deficiencies for which they have to get transfusions or injections.  Not that this doesn't happen with the DS, but it is much less common.  The days where RNYers can "get away" with 2 flinstone chewables and a tums are long gone.  The newer nutritional data out there suggests RNYers need to have almost the same amount of supplimentation as a DSer.  To paraphrase  one of my favorite vit gurus (vitalady), DSers know they have malabsorbtion and take action, many RNYers don't realize they have malabsorbtion until it's too late. Scott

Good points but the way the DS is done is really severe.  The RNY procedure is drastic, too, but it's much less so than the DS....being someone who has studied all of the surgical aspects I know what goes with both surgeries so I stick to my statement about the DS rivalling having no intestines, but I did say rivals, not mimics.  And I do see that you are a DS'er so I'm sure you're another one of those touchy-touchy people. 

So instead of answering what I said you turned to an ad hominem attack (against the man), so you minimalize my argument by attackign me directly as being someone that is "touchy".  Now I don't know if you are mentally retarded or it's the water you are drinking, but I would like to see any peer reviewed data, medical studies etc etc etc that show the DS rivaling someone with no intestines.  Obviously you have no idea what went into your surgery, or the fact that you no longer have a functioning stomach, you have no intrinsic factor, and you dump.  In recent years, a common thread amoungst RNYers is severe reactive hypoglycemia...something again caused by your "not so invassive" frankenstein RNY surgery.  But I digress.  Before you make blanket ill informed statements, you shoudl do a bit of research. Is the DS a bit more technically difficult....obviously it is.....you just can't run down to your old RNY mill chop shop and have it done.   With that said, the post op complications and long term complications are equal to the RNY.  If you consider that RNYers are more likely to need a revision for inadequate weight loss, and/or weight regain, then the DS is far less risky.  Revisions are extremely risky.....and you should see how many RNYers have to be cut open again, or have one of the new "RNY fix it" surgeries...like the ROse procedure.   You don't see any new surgeries coming out to "fix" the DS, why? Because it is a superior surgery when it comes to weight loss and weight loss maintence (statistically).  Now if you want to get your head out of your ass, and actually respond with an intelligent answer, with some factual data....we can move along.  Because as you know opinions are like ******** everyone has one, and some peoples are just stretched out of wack from too much anal sex.  Scott

I am also a "lurker", and haven't said anything so far because I am pre-surgery.  Still need to lose about 20 more lbs. before the doctor will schedule my surgery.  I have been seeing the DS mentioned, but have no idea what this is.  The hospital I am having my surgery apparently don't even offer this as a WLS option.  Michael

I'm sure Dx will give a though explanation of DS. But I too have never understood why people criticize different WLS? It's so individual and such a personal decision I don't believe anyone should criticize another procedure. I will say here on the Men's Forum I very rarely here that, even when someone wants us to help them make up their mind we usually urge them to do their homework and find out whats best for them. C'ya Bob

Well if you dont' know about the DS, then you should research it before hand.  There are many people who "find out too late" because their sales person of a surgeon never mentioned it.  Would you mention fords if you were trying to sell Toyotas? Some people choose to travel for the DS, it is an option, I travelled 2 hours for the DS rather then have surgery 1/2 hour from my house.   It was a personal choice, and I am thankful that I had it over another type of surgery.  Scott

There was a vicious catfight on the RNY board about 4-5 months ago between a couple or three  DSers who kept wandering in and all the RNYers on the board. You rarely see such idealogical purity and zealoutry in any other arena as the DS females brought to the table. I ended up blocking the  whole mess of them just so I could browse around over there without getting **** on my pant legs.

Oh....and welcome to the Men's forum. We rarely get our ovaries knotted up over anything as mundane as what type of surgery we might have had.