Body Image? follow-up of follow-up.....

Dx E
on 5/16/08 5:18 am - Northern, MS

Follow up of a Follow up…. OK, first, I re-read what I replied to the Russ Thread… "What was in Those Brownies?!?!" Then it occurred to me that there is yet another common trait among most of us. Many of us hang on to the- "I still feel like a Fat Man" thing… or- "When I look in the Mirror, it’s still the same Ole Me." Body Image is a real issue. At 5 years out next month, I’ve gotten used to seeing the new me in the mirror, But still have a difficult time finding myself in a group photo. "Hey? I was there that day too…..Oh, That’s me?" It is less of a problem, but still a little odd glitch in self-perception. Back when some of us met up in Lexington a few years back I took advantage of asking a couple of the Psychologist/experts there "What’s the Deal?" about this flawed self perception. And, what could be done to improve it… Thought I’d share some of that here-------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There is a ‘slang term’ among psychologists for the skewed development of self-image. The "Swiss Cheese Phenomenon." The basic idea of the Swiss Cheese Phenomenon is that positive feedback from others falls through the "holes" in one's body image, like the holes in Swiss cheese. However, negative feedback, no matter how much rarer, manages to stick. That's why it is difficult to develop a different attitude towards your body. (Stupid slang term, but it works for them, and I like cheese!) This is how even after a string of compliments- "Dam, you’re looking good!" We still SEE the ‘Old Us.’ How to change your body image? 7 Tips (somehow it's always 7) Here are some of the suggestions from about 3 different Psyche docs. (Some through discussions, others from publications) The First 2 suggestions are immediately helpful and you can see results immediately! 1.) Take photos of your progress, Particularly photos with other people in them. When you are faced with a side-by-side comparison in a photo of yourself with another person who you don’t have a ‘skewed’ perception of, Your "filter" of looking just at your ‘old-self’ is by passed with objective fact. It’s easy to let the real progress you’ve made "slip through the holes," But linked to your objective view of another? Not as easy. You will be aware of the actual progress you’ve made. 2.) Pull out older photos and compare the actual "old You" with newer photos. Same Objective comparison bypasses your ‘self-image issues’ with objective fact. 3.) When in those situations where people notice your weight-loss, keep track of the actual feedback you are receiving. Chances are if you count them up, the overwhelming majority of people (if not ALL) will offer positive comments, and no negative comments. You maybe thinking- "Yah, I used to be fat, now my sagging ass looks like a melted candle," But notice that No-One else is noticing that at all. (so who then is generating a continued ‘negative body image?’ 4.) Notice if you tend to accept or resist compliments. Just knowing when you are skewing the feedback, and when you are accepting the actual observations of others, can help you Stop filtering reality. 5.) Buy some new dam Clothes! Dozens of guys here have posted photos of themselves in the past, often with the comment- "My wife says I need a size smaller shirt." Well, looking at a lot of the photos? The wives were right. Many ‘Ex-Obese’ men, dress for the same Old Level of Loose to hide the flab. The result is a lot of photos of us looking like 8th graders borrowing dad’s clothes to go on a first date. Go spend some bucks and get some higher-end clothes that really Fit. If you are hiding some loose skin, then get some under-armor or wear a tighter Tee-shirt. (now that you can wear more and not sweat your azz off!) Dress in clothing that makes you feel good about yourself. You can even wear a tie now without feeling like it’s strangling you to death. (that’s New, Yah?) 6.) Make a list of the things that are great about you. What are your strengths? Are you Clever? Funny? Honest? Sincere? What are you "Good At?" What are your assets? …things that ARE Going well for you. Things you are grateful for? Previous successes? …things you have overcome? If you are at all honest, fairly quickly you can stack up enough positive attributes to make yourself Envy-Yourself. This is a way to find the Positives that are not Directly linked to Size or Looks. (BTW, it is these attributes that comprise the Majority of actual Self-Image, Body-Image makes up only a part of your over-all Ego-Id-Super-Ego Psyche Self-Profile.) 7.) Last- (and this from all of the Psychologists) Spend time with people Who make you feel good about, and accept you as you are. This is key. "The Way You Make me Feel" is what keeps marriages going, And similarly what sparks many an affair- "I like who I am when I’m with you." Not just in romantic exchanges, but on any social level. Hang with people who like you, rather than those you are working to Make like you. Although Body-Image is only part of Self-Image, It is the One aspect that experiences the stress of Extreme Change resulting from WLS. It is often said- "The do the surgery on our guts, not our heads…" Yep. But the "Head-Work" is something We can do as a Home Project. This weekend, skip the yard-work and work on You? So Get Busy! You don’t even have to go by Home-Depot first. Crap! Best Wishes- Dx

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cabin111
on 5/16/08 7:30 am
"Stand up straight!!"  As mom would say.  I have noticed I would gain 1-2 inches or more just by doing that...since there is not the gravity issue I am dealing with.  Some of that goes back to my self image.  When I would do that simple thing, I would get more eye contact and respect.  How could mom have been so right now...but so "out of it" back then??  Brian
Bob L.
on 5/16/08 8:17 am - Clarksville, TN
Really enjoyed reading that DX, it makes sense. I know in the past when I lost a lot of weight dieting I could never see my self thin. Even when people you know would say you look great, and then somebody you never met would say hey Big Guy? He doesn't know me Big Guy what the hell. Well of course he called everybody Big Guy like saying Dude. But I choose to hear what I wanted to hear. The Swiss Cheese theory sounds pretty right to me. Good insight anytime you can come away with something new it's a good day. Thanks Bob

(deactivated member)
on 5/16/08 8:02 am - Houston, TX
I was re-reading the posts from last night...and boy I hit it...I can tell everyone here how great THEY are.. Just on the short list.. Blob has a great body Boner, has peddled around the planet Dxe, has a cheery heart despite one of the worst medical histories ever written Dave has such a commitment to his body now I was picking and choosing particular attributes from each person **** "Paul in Dallas" can break everything idea down to the partical level Kypdurran...is just a beast I see parts in everyone that I feel are great... and Dxe...I really try not to put negative energy back into the universe... but I have to tell you...something about the customer service people at ATT, that make me act like one of those monkeys in "28 Days Later" I guess we all got "Cheesy Spots" with the holes....but together. we fill in the gaps.... I'm gonna go take some pics of me with Kelly, and drag out the old pre-op Disney pics.... PS.....I like it when you are on brownies
(deactivated member)
on 5/16/08 8:04 am - Houston, TX
One more thing.... For all the times we get called swine..... we do good work on this board...and I really don't see the depth anywhere else that us guys do
panhead58fl
on 5/22/08 2:05 am - Barboursville, WV
HEAR, HEAR !!!!!! pan head
BamaBob54
on 5/22/08 3:19 am - Meridianville, AL
Ditto what PH said!
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kypdurran
on 5/16/08 9:38 am - Baton Rouge, LA

Thanks for posting that Dx.  I hope I get there one day where I CAN look at myself in the mirror and not still see that fat dude.  

To this day I still think my weight loss is an amazingly ellicit, wonderful dream.   I'm scared that I'm gonna wake up and be that 464 pound guy. 

 

FatManWalking
on 5/16/08 10:32 am - Deep in the Heart of, TX
RNY on 12/11/06 with
Great Post, DX, as usual. I refer to it as dysmorphia, this failure to see reality of our bodies. I pretty much always saw myself as the 270 pound guy, when I was 350 and at 215. You are so right about the clothes, too. I know I am wearing 16 1/2 -34 shirts when I should be wearing 16 or even 15 1/2.  The thought of a 15 1/2 neck seems absurd to me. Oh wait, I'm not 270 anymore. Very strange phenomenon indeed. JP
George L.
on 5/16/08 11:11 am - Canada
Thank you Dx I'm printing this and sticking it on the board beside my computer. Regards, George
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