Idea Weight?

peppermrj
on 12/12/07 10:06 pm - Pittsburgh, PA
Well It has been a while since I have posted.  I am well on my way to my goal weight. The problem is that I am not sure what that is. I started at my heaviest in march of this year at 368. My surgery was March 22nd. I am now down to just under 200 lbs.  I went to my surgeons website and plugged in my height of 6 foot and 1/2 inch and my weight of 195 (varies with different scales but is real close). My BMI is 26.4 and I am considered overweight.  I played around with different numbers and found my normal weight range to be anywhere from 137 to 184. This seems to me to be to large of a range, almost 50 lbs! Well I will look forward to your informative responces.  Hope all you brothers of the pouch have a Happy (Sugar and Fat Free) Holiday Season! Tony J.  aka peppermrj
kypdurran
on 12/12/07 11:40 pm, edited 12/12/07 11:41 pm - Baton Rouge, LA

Hi Tony.   BMI is more os a loose guide rather than something to live by.   It doesn't take into account body fat percentage or muscle mass. 

If BMI was the absolute scale to measure obesity then professional bodybuilders, NFL linebackers & running backs and most other muscle bound types would be obese. Arnold Schwartzenegger in his prime would have been considered morbidly obese by BMI standards.  

A more accurate measurement would be to get a body fat percentage.   There are a few ways to do this.  

1) The easiest and least accurate is an electrical resistance test that some scales perform.   It sends and low electrical pulse from head to toe and calculates body fat based on the resistance of the fat to return an electrical signal or something.   Tanita is one of the companies that makes the scales.  Most weight loss surgeons have one of them.  

2) There's also the tape measure test that the military uses.   I was ALWAYS taped when I was in the Army even though I wasn't obese.  The formula they use for males is:

% body fat = 86.010 x log10(abdomen - neck) - 70.041 x log10(height) + 36.76

Abdomen - Measure abdominal circumference against the skin at the navel (belly button), level and parallel to the floor. Arms are at the sides. Record the measurement at the end of member's normal, relaxed exhalation. Round abdominal measurement down to the nearest ½ inch.

Neck - Measure the neck circumference at a point just below the larynx (Adam's Apple) and perpendicular to the long axis of the neck. Do not place the tape measure over the Adam's Apple. Service member should look straight ahead during measurement, with shoulders down (not hunched). The tape will be as close to horizontal as anatomically feasible (the tape line in the front of the neck should be at the same height as the tape line in the back of the neck). Care should be taken so as not to involve the shoulder/neck muscles (trapezius) in the measurement. Round neck measurement up to the nearest ½ inch.

There's plenty of freeware calculators online as well as some webpages that calculate the formulas.

3) The most accurate body fat percentage test is a hydrostatic water test where you are dunked in a vat or water and weighed.  I don't know much about this one but it's supposed to be the most accurate of all the tests available. 

Hope that helps.

Chad.

Dx E
on 12/12/07 11:57 pm - Northern, MS
Tony, Sounds like you're doing fine. I'm with K on this one. Bodyfat% is actually more important for health purposes. It must be a day about BMI questions... Nearly the same sort of question was asked over at QuixoticWLS this morning. To save on typing, here's what I posted there..... ___________________________________ Using the BMI as a tool, I find to be beneficial to me. Angst-ing about it? Hasn’t been an issue for me. (I’m not a worrier by nature.) My BMI the day of surgery was 50.8 now it’s 24.1. My goal was to be in a healthy, Normal range. My lowest weight was 179 (BMI 23.6) But I’m happy to sit here between 180 and 185 for the last 3 ½ years. I’m ‘just’ inside of the normal BMI range, And that keeps me and my doc pleased. I’m very energetic, Super Comfortable in my clothes, And find life to be all around easier at this weight. I don't do much exercise, just more 'activity' than I did Prior to surgery.  And I don't "Watch my diet" closely, I just eat the stuff I do now out of habit. I avoid sweets because I don't find them tempting anymore. I "Could" eat a Snickers Bar, but I would have to do so while sitting on the pot. But since the effect on my system from eating a candy-bar Would be about the same as getting food poisoning, Now-a-days, sweets hold about as much appeal to me as Tainted under-cooked chicken. Thank heavens for my dumping status. If I had to avoid sweets by will power alone? Well, my previous 47 years track record reveals that I probably Would not have succeeded there. For guys who are very muscular, a Normal BMI range may be too crude of a measuring stick. A BMI of 25 or higher is considered overweight, and that would include- Tom Cruise (BMI 26), George Clooney (BMI 29) Mark McGuire (BMI 30) Even President George W. Bush (BMI 26). [so Tony, you're about the same size as the president or Tom Cruise. Yes?] Making it to the "Obese Range" takes more muscle- Arnold Schwarzenegger (BMI 33) Sylvester Stallone (BMI 34) and Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson (BMI 33) From looking at them, no one would consider any of the guys on this list "Fat." Still, not to discount BMI totally, For those of us who aren’t carrying extra muscle, The BMI is a pretty good indicator. Here’s what I dropped into the Quix-WLS Wiki (Library) sometime back- Hope this helps…. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Body Mass Index (BMI) - The most widely used index of obesity. The BMI approximates body mass using a mathematical ratio of weight and height. . The higher the BMI, the greater the percentage of body fat, in general Given its simplicity and objectivity, the BMI has displaced weight-and-height tables. This index is a measure of weight that accounts for height A BMI of 30 is now regarded by most health agencies as the threshold for obesity. The calculation for BMI is weight in kilograms divided by height in meters squared. The BMI is not the most accurate way to estimate obesity - but it is the easiest. A BMI over 40 generally qualifies as morbid obesity. Note, however, that BMI measurements in body-builders and athletes may not be accurate determinants of obesity. …from- "1is2fat.com" Weight Chart & Body Fat Calculators: "Weight Chart look-ups and Body fat calculator results are the easiest way to establish your ideal weight and body fat percentage. The most accurate ways are to check your perception against the accepted norms, using precise calculations. Try the body fat calculator or the BMI calculator to see if your perception of yourself is right." Body Mass Index (BMI) - is a measure to help assess if you're at a healthy weight and if weight loss is necessary. http://www.1is2fat.com/bmi_calculator.htm Body Frame Calculator - To refine and define theoretical weights, researchers added frame size as a factor. http://www.1is2fat.com/body_frame.htm Body Shape Calculator - to get a clearer picture of your overall health risk, some find it useful to check body shape - plotting the size of the waist against height on the Ashwell® shape chart. http://www.1is2fat.com/Body-shape-calculator.htm Male Body Shape Calculator - adjusts 'body shape' standards to specifically accommodate male musculature. http://www.1is2fat.com/male_body_calculator.htm Waist/Hip Ratio Calculator - is used to establish weight loss goal based on body shape. http://www.1is2fat.com/waist_hip_ratio_calculator.htm Old-Style "Weight-to-Height" Chart - once used as the primary means of determining Overweight status. http://www.1is2fat.com/weight_chart.htm Running Time Calculator - a tool to help plan exercise to measure fitness and weight loss progress. http://www.1is2fat.com/running_time_calculator.htm "Jogger's Choice" Calculator - another tool to measure fitness by running and weight loss progress. http://www.1is2fat.com/joggers_calorie_calculator.htm

Best Wishes- Dx

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kypdurran
on 12/13/07 12:57 am - Baton Rouge, LA
See!  I knew Arnold was a fatass! 
carbonblob
on 12/13/07 8:07 am - los angeles, CA
i agree with those other great posts. however, i seemed to just hit a weight and couldn't lose anymore without simply eating near nothing which is no way to live. i think in time we just hit a weight where our bods say stay here. for me it's the 150-158 range. if i go over, it better be muscle mass, if under, it's because i'm sick! i have no idea what my mass or bmi numbers are i just know this is where i'm stuck. now i can look all kinds of ways at this weight. if i cram protein down i look more massive. if i don't, i look more like a runner. all at the same weight! weird huh? so give yourself some time. i think the combination of diet, exercise and protein intake will determine your ideal weight. of course if you don't like that weight then just diet past it or add to it. not sure if this made sense to anyone but me! carbonblob
peppermrj
on 12/13/07 1:47 pm - Pittsburgh, PA
Thanks Guys. As always very informative.  I am still losing but much slower now. I am sure things will seek their own level so to speak. I hope to concentrate more on muscle tone and trying to develope muscle in the new year.  After things stabilize for a few months (?) I will need to remove some excess flesh. Parts of me could almost pass for a blood hound. lol
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on 12/13/07 7:32 pm
peppermrj
on 12/14/07 6:38 am - Pittsburgh, PA
Wow!   Thanks Paul.   I am a fraction over 6 foot so that plan could have been written for me. I will discuss it with my surgeon at my 9 month check up next week.  Tony J.  aka peppermrj
(deactivated member)
on 12/16/07 11:40 pm - Leesburg, VA
VSG on 05/03/11 with
Dude you are what Im dreaming of.  I'm just in the begining of the process and looking  for the right surgeon.  But I would love to have it done in Jan 2008.  I'm 40 yrs old, Been over 300 lbs for more than 20 yrs.  I played college football.  Right now I'm betting Im about 350 and would love to get down to 200 or 225.  I'd love to hear your whole story.  It's guys like you that have inspired me to have this surgury. Thanks. Jack
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