Couple of Questions post op

Troy A.
on 11/19/07 10:25 am - Fort Worth, TX
Hey everyone, I am really doing great here three weeks post op. However I do have a couple of questions to bounce of you guys. First, what is up with my rumbling belly? Is it my new stomache or my old one? Is this a common problem and does it go away eventually? I am really making some loud noises down there. Second, and I guess I know there is no real answer to this because I have read all of DX's post on the subject, but did anyone elses weight loss slow dramatically just two weeks after surgery? I have been at 289 for 6 days now, that is down from 309 on my DoS. I am getting in over 70 grams of protien a day. I am under 800 calories a day. I know there will be slow spots along the line and stalls and platues but I am a little disappointed that I have slowed so quickly. Like I said, I know there are not any real answers to this, and that in the end, the weight is going to come off, but if anyone experienced something similar I would love to hear about it, and how things have gone for you since. My only real struggle is getting in actual food. I tossed up some pureed roast beef yesterday. That was a first. Not painful or anything but disappointing because it actually tasted good. I have put it on my food to take note of list. Could have been to fatty, could be that it is beef, could be that though it was pureed and should have been moist enough, that it just gummed up the works to much. Once again, thanks in advance, you guys are the best. Troy

334/222/185
All time recorded high 4/15/07 334lbs at the start of my 6 month approval journey.
Liquid Diet 10/15 329lbs - 10/29 309lbs = 20lbs gone forever.
DoS 10/29 309lbs - 11/29 282lbs = 27lbs gone forever. 
11/29 282lbs - 12/29 269lbs = 13lbs gone forever.
12/29 269lbs - 1/29 249lbs = 20lbs gone forever.
1/29 249lbs - 2/29 239lbs = 10lbs gone forever.
2/29 239ibs - 3/29 230lbs = 9lbs gone forever.

dasloaf
on 11/19/07 11:30 am - brighton, MI
sit back and relax, your stomach grumblings will go away and you will lose weight.  give it time.  get your water and your walking in and you'll be ok.
Jer
on 11/19/07 2:23 pm - Milwaukie, OR
my understanding is that the waste accumulates in the liver before it gets dumped from the body. It depends on how long that liver will hold on to what's dear to it. lol So you may not lose until it has it's fill and dumps and then the weight will start falling again. That's what my surgeon told me when I asked that question anyway.
Dx E
on 11/19/07 4:12 pm - Northern, MS

Troy , The rumbling from your guts? Typical.  Mine used to wake the dog. It gets much better and eventually goes away. Usually it’s from eat just a touch too fast, Or while still on soft or liquid foods. The quick slowdown at 2 weeks? It’s most likely at the third week. Happens to many… “Starvation or Hibernation Mode.” The idea of “Starvation Mode” Doesn’t seem to make sense. “If I’m showing less Calories Consumed than I burned, How could I possibly show an increase in weight?!?!” Very ‘counter-intuitive.’ Tha****er needed to process the glycogen Ends up being the culprit. I had my Doc go through the explanation a few times As I grilled him with questions. Just kept asking “Why?” Until I got to a “Ah-HA!” Moment. As much as that man has picked through my insides I figure he shouldn’t mind if I ‘Pick through his Brain!” First, Pull back from your ‘daily’ charting, and look at a weekly or even monthly. There are up and down spikes each day, But if you ‘graph’ the highest to the lowest, I’d bet there is still A downward slope over the course of the month. There’s an 8 to 10lb. volume of “wiggle room” due to water alone. And it comes into play a lot.  This has to do with our bodies using glycogen for short term energy storage. Glycogen is not very soluble, But it is stored in our muscles for quick energy – One pound of glycogen requires 4 lbs of water to keep it soluble, And the average glycogen storage capacity is about 2 lbs. So, when you are not getting in enough food, (Like when you drop down to your calorie intake) Your body turns first to stored glycogen, Which is easy to break down for energy. And when you use up 2 lbs of glycogen, You also lose 8 lbs of water that was used to store it Voila -- the "easy" 10 lbs that most people lose in the first week of any diet. As you stay in caloric deficit, however, Your body starts to ‘realize’ that this is not a short term problem. You start mobilizing fat from your adipose tissue And burning fat for energy. But your body also ‘realizes’---- (by way of your liver releasing hormones signaling low Cal intake) ---That fat can't be used for short bursts of energy – Like, to outrun a sabertooth tiger. So, it starts converting some of the fat into glycogen, And rebuilding the glycogen stores. And as it puts back the 2 lbs of glycogen into the muscle, 8 lbs of water has to be stored with it to keep it soluble. So, even though you might still be LOSING energy content to your body, (Thus showing negative Calorie load overall) Your weight will not go down or you might even GAIN for a while As you retain water to dissolve the glycogen that is being reformed and stored. Yes? The whole ‘weight-loss’ process is not a straight “Slide” down the scale. More like “Stair-Steps,” (Down then forward, then down, then forward, etc... As your body cycles fat out of “deep storage” and through the Liver Into the muscles as Glycogen. The muscles and Liver can hold about a 3 weeks supply. This is why many people find that their “Stall” or “Plateau” Breaks when adding a bit of exercise And upping their water intake, or in the case of an “extreme exerciser,” The total Calorie or Protein Intake, To signal the liver to let go of more Glycogen. Fear not, many people who are now enjoying life at a normal BMI Once had a few weeks or so of thinking- “...my weight loss has been awfully slow, has it stopped...”? Like I said, more people report noticing it at week 3, But then everyone uses their glycogen stores at different rates. And some have less stored to start with. Hang in there. It all gets easier each week. Best Wishes- Dx

 

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JoeBear
on 11/19/07 7:46 pm - Chantilly, VA

Troy,

It is very common to lose lot the first week or two, then pause, then have more moderate loss. Much of your early loss was probably water. It still "counts", but fortunately for you, you probably won't have more 20 lbs losses in a week. Joe

Scott William
on 11/19/07 8:17 pm
Troy, I would not even step on a scale for the next 5 months except for your surgeon's office.  You will know that you are losing by your clothes getting smaller and youe skin getting loose.  Weighing every day can only lead to frustration on the days you don't lose.
Scott

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Troy A.
on 11/19/07 9:04 pm - Fort Worth, TX
Thanks very much everyone for the info and advice. DX, your explination actually makes a lot of sense, because I think I have been pushing my walking more than maybe most people do? I have been going over 2 miles a day for over a week now. Maybe I used up all my stuff a little faster. At any rate, I feel great, and I do know the weight will come off.  I wish I could not step on the scales everyday, but that just isnt me. It is a motivator for me, and as long as I understand the process, it shouldnt upset me. Yes? So the rumbling will go away. That is very good news because it sure is loud. It has already made for a few comical moments. Thanks again, Troy

334/222/185
All time recorded high 4/15/07 334lbs at the start of my 6 month approval journey.
Liquid Diet 10/15 329lbs - 10/29 309lbs = 20lbs gone forever.
DoS 10/29 309lbs - 11/29 282lbs = 27lbs gone forever. 
11/29 282lbs - 12/29 269lbs = 13lbs gone forever.
12/29 269lbs - 1/29 249lbs = 20lbs gone forever.
1/29 249lbs - 2/29 239lbs = 10lbs gone forever.
2/29 239ibs - 3/29 230lbs = 9lbs gone forever.

Dx E
on 11/20/07 4:02 pm - Northern, MS
Troy, Shhhhh... (At 4 1/2 years out, I still step on the scales EVERY MORNING.) Just try not to let daily changes freak you out. Long-Term........... Best Wishes- Dx

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kypdurran
on 11/19/07 11:02 pm - Baton Rouge, LA

Hi Troy.   Get used to the grumbling.   I don't know if it's my pouch or my old stomach but ever time I eat something it seems like everything starts vibrating.  :)

As far as the 6 day stall your body is still going through the shock of the surgery.  It happened to me too.   I didn't lose anything on the 3rd week or so and then I dropped 25 in the next two weeks.    Thankfully that was really my only plateau.  I lost weight consistantly until around my 1 year mark where I leveled off.

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