Lifestyle Seems to be Decreasing Hunger (input?)
Hey Guys,
I'm approaching 19 months and have had a marked increasing in hunger since making some big lifestyle changes. In part, I think it's the low-carb, carb load cycling that I do on my diet, but I suspect there's more to it.
Here are some highlights for your comment:
1. Get up in the morning and get lots of fats, some pure cream, a lot of flax oil (omega 3) and some olive oil. I follow this with 1-2 hours of activity, sprinting, weight training, balance exercises, stretch band exercise, run stroke training drills (the Post method).
I snack on raw almond slices through noon.
2. All day, I munch on chicken salad that contains a lot of vegetables, probably get in 200-300 grams of protein per day. The only fat I get in the afternoon is from the 2-3 tablespoon of mayo that's in the finely smushed chicken.
3. Drink at least one gallon of water per day.
4. Here's perhaps the biggest change: I go at least 12 hours with no fat/ carb intake. After 4:00 pm my only food is a salad and a whey protein shake. After that's done, I go 10+ hours without any food.
5. Wake up next day and repeat.
I'd love to hear your input on any/ all of this, particularly if you notice anything that's harmful, controversial or whatever.
Best Wishes,
Dave
Hi Gerald,
Thanks for the input, with your background I'm sure you have wealth of knowledge about healthy diet and exercise.
Here's why I think I'm not staving myself, please correct me if I'm kidding myself (honestly speaking, not being sarcastic at all):
I'm losing little if any weight and BMI is just a hair under "overweight" (a few % of one digit, in other words, almost overweight).
I'm eating close to 2500 calories a day.
According to my diet guru author, glucagon/ glycogen/blood sugar and the large shot of insulin that follows intake of these are what cause most hunger.
In spite of the low carb aspect of the diet, I carb load two evening meals per week (last night's brown rice pourridge probably exceeded 2000 calories, then I ate some junk food on top of that).
My wife says she's never seen anyone with such hunger for/ capacity for physical activity. Granted, she's from a culture where physical activity is not fashionable, but she's including youngsters with that evaluation.
Check out these links to the diet. It was actually designed for athletes:
http://www.davedraper.com/faigin-natural-hormonal-enhancemen t-excerpt.html
http://www.extique.com/askrob5-2.htm
Okay, one last piece of evidence that I'm not starving:
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Thanks, hope to hear back from you some more!
Dave
hey dave,
If you included a picture of yourself at the end of your post I couldn't see it, you inadvertently put in a picture of 2 tree stumps (from your yard i guess). They do have strange looking trees in Japan!. 
All kidding aside you look terrific and don't look undernourished. Where do you get all your energy???? 
Dan
Hi Dan,
How have you been?
I have pretty short legs, could be one of them there Bonzai trees, hehe...
The energy? Well, part of it just comes from being light. Then, the diet seems to give me some nervous energy and it also makes the caffeine, B's and CoQ10 seem to work better.
I also think that every time I carb load, because I've been on low carb for three-four days prior, I'm conserving and using the blood sugar much better. I remember when I first started the HIIT, I never thought I would get used to doing it. It just took all of my energy. Then, after about three weeks...I started recovering between reps and even became able to do two sets of 8 reps.
The point of the last paragraph is, the body can re-learn how it uses it's energy and learn to use it more sparingly, be it through HIIT or through low carb or both. I think for now anyway that's what I've trained mine to do.
Really Good to Hear from You!
Dave
Those aren’t calves, They’re BULLS!
With your intake?
Take away a pint of the water.
And stretch that 2500 calories out over the day,
(I don’t stop eating till about 2 hours before sleep..)
And cut out nearly all of that exercise,
And we’re doing about the same thing.
I’m not ever hungry.
Little appetite, but most likely due to eating every 3 hours like clockwork.
If the carb/no carb cycling is working for you
Go get it!
It sounds geared toward high performance body building/ training.
As far as “Diets” go, The ‘Abs Diet’ is pretty close to exactly
What and how I eat.
I didn’t know about it until long after I was already “set in my ways”
Post-op. I read the book, and sure enough
It sounds like they followed me around and wrote down what I was eating.
Without changing anything with my intake
I had a sudden drop of right at 4 pounds last week.
Still don’t know what that was about.
I did add more cereal and a little less low-fat yogurt to my mornings
But other than that, nothing.
I’m just happy that I’m not having “bounce back” weight 4 ¼ years Post-op.
Happier that I’m not “working at it” either.
I’ve been off the board a lot lately, running wide open with work.
Hopefully, mid-October should calm down for me….
One question…
“a culture where physical activity is not fashionable?”
And here all this time I thought that was the Deep South!
Take Care!
Best Wishes-
Dx
Capricious; Impulsive, Semi-Predictable 
Dx! Thanks for responding during busy times,
The calves, yeah I'm skinny, but a lonnng way from being anorhexic.
You mention having the same calorie intake as me, but doing no exercise and still losing weight... (and congrats!):
Isn't it funny how people have different diet and exercise habits and come out with about the same results? For example, I can either go low carb =OR= I can drink a couple of pints of grape juice and a pint of skim milk a day and only have a variation of about 5 lbs of bodyweight between the two diets. Another example: With the addition of sprinting, I should have, in theory lost all of my body fat, but in reality, the results are the same as when I lift weights three times a week.
Maybe there's something about the surgery that stabilizes body weight?
In your case, the sudden loss must be fiber-related. (Back to my "hose cut in half theory:) More fiber or water will make everything pass through the shortened hose a lot faster. Hell, I drank a half gallon of brown rice pourridge last night (boiled, then food processed and boiled again) and it all came right through this morning - in liquid, out liquid! Our digestive systems are definintely different.
The abs diet, I think I've got the .pdf of that somewhere for reference. I'll take another look at that. Not sure what I'll do with it, though. Already got veins poking out of my abs. Maybe I could make the muscles bigger? lol
It's true, no one here even pretends to like exercise. Japan does the least exercise of any developed nation. At the same time, most people eat a heccck of a lot less. No equivalent of fatback here, although diabetes and cancer are still pretty common.
Great to Hear from You,
Dave
Looks like I need to be doin' whats you be doin' and I would be flying over these here mountains on my bike. So, what have you been doing to build up your calves like that? Nice work.
Boner Hi Boner,
Thanks, it's really nothing but protein and sprinting. No calf raises at all. There may be some carrover from the heavy deadlifts (I still do) and the squats I used to do, but no real direct calf work.
That pic is pre-jumping (started recently), so the calves are not related to the jump training. All of my squats are now jump squats, because slow, heavy squats are said to slow the reaction time needed for running. Bike may be different (probably).
Best Wishes,
Dave
Anywho, all I'm trying to do is figuring out a way to improve my performance to reach my goals with a reduced level of "SUFFERING!" Ain't gonna happen I realize, cause as they say "NO PAIN, NO GAIN."
What I do know is if I can take off another 20 pounds, my power to weight ratio would go through the roof and that's what it's all about in cycling - more watts with less power required. Unfortunately, my body wants to stay at 210 - 215 lbs which at nearly 6'5" ain't bad. I'd put my body fat at somewhere around 10% so pretty close there as well. My WL surgeon told me no mas on the weight loss but I be thinking 200 lbs would be better. We'll see.
Later gator,
Boner 
