F is for Fatigue!
Re-Post of old stuff...skip if not helpful... Just saw some folks having energy drops... ----------------------------------------- F is for Fatigue! On the Nutrition side…………………. Although Low "Protein, Iron, and B-12 Levels" Are the most common culprits for Easily Fatigued By-Passers, Several other Nutrition components Are also directly related to Energy Production in the cells. American Society for Bariatric Surgery (ASBS) didn’t come out With the substantiated studies showing – "The need for B-1 Supplementation in Bariatric Patients" Until around 4 years ago, long after many patients were already having issues. Some Bariatric Clinics Today Still haven’t put B-1 on the list of supplements Recommended for their patients. In that this whole WLS business is still in its infancy As medical procedures go, I’m always suspicious of how much of this "Medical Practice" Is "Medicine," and how much is "Practice," Using us a lab-rats as they improve The complete understanding of Bariatric Procedures. So, I typically look for those things that "Won’t hurt to try" and supplement most all of the Vitamins That are just "un-used or eliminated in waste" if "too much" is taken. For example, the B-Vitamins. Too much, causes no harm. Too little? A host of problems. The typical "Super-Energy" regime, (Touted by Vitamin Companies and Nutritionists alike) Are- The "Basic B's" - B1, B2, B3, B5, B6; As well as Biotin; B12; Folate or Folic acid and Magnesium. Folate is one of the recently studied Nutrients that the ASBS has found – "… low levels of folate have been linked with Low energy levels, depression and even memory loss." Beyond the critical Vitamins, There are life-critical cellular vitamin-like nutrients, Even though they are not, strictly speaking, vitamins. ..(A vitamin is generally considered to be an organic substance ..that an organism requires for its normal health and metabolism, ..in relatively small amounts, and which it cannot make itself, ..but must get preformed from diet [or supplements]. ..Even though three classic vitamins - A, D, B3 – ..Can be made within the human body, but are still considered "vitamins.") 4 Key cellular-nutrients that are integral to Energy production are- *NADH (Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide) *carnitine / acetyl-l-carnitine, (in combination) *coenzyme Q10, And- *alpha-lipoic acid. All four of these, Carnitine, Lipoic acid, NADH and CoQ10 Are all normal dietary constituents, and are absolutely essential for life, Yet, somewhat arbitrarily, are not considered vitamins, Since they can be made within the body. NADH is one of the most important Coenzymes in the human brain and body. (A coenzyme is the active, or working form of a vitamin.) NADH is the coenzyme form of vitamin B3, Acetyl-L-Carnitine / Carnitine are the two halves of a B vitamin-like substance The body makes from the amino acids- Lysine and Methionine, In combination with vitamins B3, B6 and C. Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) which has a lot of "buzz" around it now-a-days As the Meta-Vitamin, particularly in regards to improving Cardiac issues, Is an absolutely energy-critical cellular nutrient. CoQ10 is found in food such as salmon, liver and other organ meats. (Carnitine is generally found in the same animal foods that are ri*****oQ10.) Even for Non-Bypass Folks, It is nearly impossible to get enough CoQ10 from diet alone, Especially in our later years. Studies show that the age-related decline in CoQ10 Is a contributing factor to- Cancer, heart disease and Alzheimer's disease. Since CoQ10 is involved in the production of ATP, (Cellular Fuel) It makes sense that a decline in the production of this antioxidant Would interrupt the body's energy-producing system. In fact, heart muscle biopsies in patients with various heart diseases Showed a CoQ10 deficiency in 50 to 75 percent of all cases. Idebenone is a synthetic derivative of CoQ10. Various studies have shown that Idebenone may function even better as an antioxidant And agent of cellular energy production CoQ10. Alpha Lipoic Acid is a fatty acid that would have been classified As a Vitamin except for the fact that it can be synthesized within the human body. There is a long list of benefits of Alpha Lipoic Acid, Some have even gone as far to call it the "Ideal antioxidant." Although, it is the one "Meta-Nutrient" that you can take Too Much of. The recommended daily dose is between 50mg to 100mg, But higher doses can cause nausea and indigestion, And excessive doses can even lead to low blood sugar. On the plus side, According to "bodybuildingforyou.com"--- "Taking alpha lipoic acid can sometimes lead to a mild and relaxing feeling, and lead to a better feel of well-being." My Sister is the "Nutrition-Nut" in my family and encourages me to take all of These "Meta-Nutrients." Of my 2 siblings and 14 Cousins, She’s the only one who has avoided being Obese Since her late 20’s - when she became a Nutrition Fanatic! A "No Canned / Processed food Ever!!"-kind of Gal. Must be working, she looks half her age…… For a list of Vitamins, Minerals and Deficiencies (from a website on Eating Disorders Dealing with people who have interrupted or cutout some foods from their diets…) http://www.something-fishy.org/dangers/vitamins.php It gives a list of Nutrients, Where they are found in foods And what the symptoms of too little or too much are. From that same website- A listing of more common "Blood Work and Lab Tests" That reveal Nutrient deficiencies. http://www.something-fishy.org/doctors/bloodtests.php Last, but not least, The description of Fatigue symptoms seen in some WLS Post-ops Is the same as those of Fibromayalgia Syndrome. (FMS) (closely similar and often linked with "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome." [CFS]) Many experts think that Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) Are variants of the same problem. Pain is a hallmark of fibromyalgia And fatigue is a hallmark of CFS. Although 75% of all people diagnosed with FMS are women, The WLS community as a whole has a remarkably higher incidence of both FMS & CFS. This for the most part due to over 70% of all FMS & CFS Diagnosed in patients who are or were Obese to Morbidly Obese. Typically FMS and/or CFS show up after a stress or trauma to the system Such as "Multiple Surgeries in a short amount of time." Could be? A widespread semi-misunderstanding, and controversy, both outside and within the medical community, Is that there are no blood tests, or other medical tests That can be performed to further affirm the presence of Fibromyalgia. While this information WAS correct during the last 10 years, It is no longer completely accurate. Testing for cytokine levels, p-cells, and MRI brain activity scans (as well as other medical tests) Have all been successfully used to help determine the presence of Fibromyalgia. Just some thoughts…………………… I had been gathering Fatigue info from my Sister and the Web for some time And thought I’d Share. Best Wishes- Dx
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Hi Dx,
Looks like we posted about the same time, for a total of 3 energy/ fatigue related posts. Still on those four supplements. They seem to help with exercise, particular coQ10. The verdict is still out on general energy level.
Wonder if some people's lack of energy might be side effects from an "increase in health"? One thing I remember from being MO was being able to "ride the tide" of heart rate (blood pressure?) spikes. Now it takes several sprints to get my heart rate to spike and stay up.
Best Wishes,
Dave
Dx,
That's right...
Saturday!
Just finished my long social jog with a couple of friends. Was having a difficult time keeping it slow until today. I've been trying Pose running, which basically tries to unify all aspects of the running motion (starting with running on the balls of the feet), to the point that all aspects are interdependent, much like a swim stroke. All tension and even pushing and pulling have to (in theory) be eliminated. The result is supposed to be a circular foot motion where the foot and calf muscles absorb the shock. My sprint hasn't changed all that much, but my jogging and intermediate run are very different from before.
Something else fun and healthy to work on. Beats cribbage!
Best Wishes,
Dave