Ima coffee/caffine junkie....

(deactivated member)
on 8/30/07 1:11 am - Leesburg, VA
VSG on 05/03/11 with
So Ima coffee junkie, probably have between 24-48oz of coffee per day, not as much on weekends, and I know that this doesn't help a diet.  Get all jacked up on caffine and then when you crash you feel starving and your pound food into your stomach.  I know its a visicous circle.  But after I have the surgury can I still have coffee durin the liquid diet?  How about caffine free or decaf.  I like the warmth of coffee and the taste.  I'm betting I will get off coffee all together. Whats your story with coffee.
Cards Fan
on 8/30/07 1:22 am
Lap-RNY post-op here... For me, doctor's orders were no caffeine for 1 year after surgery.  I was a good little camper and followed the rule.  Let me tell you when the year was up I hopped on the caffeine wagon and have been riding it ever since.  I continue to keep my carbohydrate intake rather low even after achieving goal weight (actually below).  With the amount of physical activity I get in between weight lifting and cardio I need all the help I can get - so the more caffeine the better since I do not have the carbs to utlilize as an energy boost. I've not had issues with it being a diuretic or dehydrating me...I still get plenty of other fluids.  Plus many folks say the morning cup of joe keeps them "regular" as well. So - follow the doctors and/or nutritionists instructions...then you can decide once you get past their suggested timeframe for refraining from caffeine.  Until that time - load up on all the decaf tea and coffee you want to...they are freebies! CF
(deactivated member)
on 8/30/07 1:25 am - Leesburg, VA
VSG on 05/03/11 with
Well I'll give up coffee and caffine to have your results so that is fine with me.  I'll gladly give it up!
Triple-Beast
on 8/30/07 1:55 am
Hi TooBig! I'm 2 months post-op and drink coffee everyday. High-test coffee.. and I enjoy it! Don't try to live a perfect life.. you can't do it!  You can't put so many restraints on yourself that you feel guilty for everything you put in your mouth. It only leads to failure. If too much coffee hurts you, then you may want to cut down a bit.. but if you like coffee and it likes you, then I say "go for it!" You're going to find that eating is far less enjoyable than it was pre-op, so why take away one of the few pleasures you have left? (personally speaking.. others may still enjoy mealtimes after RNY) Coffee! ..... it's NOT just for breakfast anymore!
wjoegreen
on 8/30/07 1:57 am - Colonial Heights, VA
TBJC, Not about coffee or tea but about caffine intake,...I received the following article, The Caffinated Runner, from Active.com, link: http://www.active.com/running/Articles/The_Caffeinated_Runne r.htm It was enlightening about smart use of caffine as I don't drink coffee or tea, I have found the SoBe Lean Energy drink, half a bottle a day seems to make a real difference in my ability to cover 10K/6.2 miles multiple times a week in training for the 10K events I registered for in Oct and Nov, I want to run for time. Hope it shed so insights into your concerns about caffine post-op.  To think 11 months ago, pre-op, I could hardly walk and now I can do this,...jubilation,...shear jubilation.  It started with walking laps around the nurses station in recovery, then 5-10m min walks after getting home, and the success and motivating stories of guys on the Men's Board like Headparrot, Scott W, and AJP. And in case you can't get to it, I am pasting it in below:

The Caffeinated Runner

 

How can caffeine help your performance?    By Matt Fitzgerald  For Active.com

 

A number of studies have shown significant performance increases in various endurance disciplines, including running, following caffeine ingestion. In one study, elite runners improved their time in a treadmill run to exhaustion by 1.9 percent with caffeine. Caffeine boosted time to exhaustion in a cycling test by 15 minutes in another study. And in a study involving swimmers, caffeine was found to enhance performance in maximal-effort swims of up to 25 minutes' duration.

 

How does the world's most widely used drug achieve these effects? It appears caffeine enhances performance in shorter events by stimulating the nervous system in ways that enable the muscles to contract faster and more efficiently. In longer events, caffeine delays fatigue by reducing the athlete's perception of effort. Specifically, it increases the concentration of hormone-like substances in the brain called ß-endorphins during exercise. The endorphins affect mood state, reduce perception of pain, and create a sense of well-being.

 

Caffeine has also been found to delay fatigue during exercise by increasing the level of free fatty acids in the bloodstream and thereby boosting fat burning and conserving muscle glycogen (which is the limiting fuel source for muscle work). This latter effect of caffeine used to be considered the major mechanism by which it enhanced endurance performance, but it is now known to be a minor factor. In fact, for those who normally maintain a high-carbohydrate diet, it is virtually a non-factor.

 

Caffeine is a diuretic, meaning that it increases urine production, which could theoretically exacerbate dehydration during exercise. However, exercise negates this effect. In a recent scientific review, researchers from the University of Connecticut wrote, "Dietitians, exercise physiologists, athletic trainers and other sports medicine personnel commonly recommend that exercising adults and athletes refrain from caffeine use because it is a diuretic, and it may exacerbate dehydration and hyperthermia." However, "contrary to popular beliefs... caffeine consumption does not result in... water-electrolyte imbalances or hyperthermia and... reduced exercise-heat tolerance."

 

When and How

 

Runners commonly take caffeine in pill form (proven to be more effective than equal amounts of caffeine consumed in coffee) 30 to 60 minutes before races to enhance competitive performance. What's the optimal amount? The ergogenic effect of caffeine is dose-dependent. The maximum effect is seen with doses of five to six milligrams per kilogram of body weight. For a 150-lb runner this translates to roughly 340-400 mg, or the amount of caffeine you'd get in 14 to 17 ounces of drip brewed coffee. The minimum amount of caffeine the average runner must consume for a measurable ergogenic effect is about two mg per kilogram of body weight.

 

It makes less sense to use caffeine as a daily workout performance enhancer, for two reasons. First, workouts are seldom maximal efforts, and the rationale for caffeine supplementation is to enhance maximal performance. Second, the ergogenic effects of caffeine consumption decrease with habituation. For this reason, if you are a regular coffee drinker, you should cease coffee consumption four to six days before participating in a race.

 

Caffeine and Health

 

In moderation, caffeine consumption does not cause any health problems. In fact, a daily cup of joe is good for you. The health benefits of coffee come from its caffeine content and its unique blend of antioxidants. According to Harvard Medical School , "Studies show that the risk for type two diabetes is lower among regular coffee drinkers than among those who don't drink it. Also, coffee may reduce the risk of developing gallstones, discourage the development of colon cancer, improve cognitive function, reduce the risk of liver damage in people at high risk for liver disease, and reduce the risk of Parkinson's disease."

 

However, heavy caffeine use can cause or exacerbate problems ranging from headache to insomnia, and it is possible to become physically dependent on the drug. Caffeine is especially harmful when used as a means to stimulate artificial wakefulness or energy in those suffering from conditions such as chronic fatigue. So if you do like caffeine, limit yourself to one mug of coffee or green tea in the morning. Those *****ly on regular "caffeine injections" throughout the day are well advised to cut back.

 

Caffeine and Sports Drinks

 

A new alternative to taking a single large dose of caffeine prior to racing is to consume a caffeinated sports drink throughout races. In a recent study, conducted at the University of Birmingham in , researchers looked at the effect of caffeine on exogenous carbohydrate oxidation (i.e. the rate at which carbs consumed in a supplement are burned) during exercise. Cyclists received either a six percent glucose solution, a six percent glucose solution plus caffeine, or plain water during a two-hour indoor cycling test. Researchers used indirect calorimetry to measure the amounts and proportions of fat and carbohydrate oxidized during the test.

 

They found that the rate of exogenous carbohydrate oxidation was 26 percent higher in the cyclists receiving carbs with caffeine than in those receiving carbs without caffeine. The study's authors concluded that caffeine may have increased the rate of glucose absorption in the intestine, providing fuel to the working muscles more quickly. The likely effect on performance is the ability to work harder for a longer period of time without becoming fatigued.

 

Another recent study looked at the effects of consuming a caffeinated sports drink on performance in a warm environment. Sixteen highly trained cyclists completed three trials. Subjects cycled for 135 minutes, alternating between 60 percent and 75 percent VO2max every 15 minutes for the first 120 minutes, followed by a 15-minute performance ride. In one trial they consumed flavored water; in another, a conventional carbohydrate sports drink; and in another, a caffeinated sports drink.

 

The cyclists completed 15 percent to 23 percent more work during the caffeine trial than in the other two trials. Ratings of perceived exertion were lower with the caffeinated sports drink than with the placebo and the conventional sports drink. After cycling, maximal strength loss was found to be two-thirds less for the caffeinated drink than for the other beverages.

 

This new research suggests that using a caffeinated sports drink may be the best way to go in races.

 

 

wjoegreen
on 8/30/07 2:00 am - Colonial Heights, VA
P.S.  If I drink a whole bottle of SoBe Lean Energy Drink, it keeps me awake at night. FYI
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on 8/30/07 2:30 am - Leesburg, VA
VSG on 05/03/11 with
You became a runner after???  I dream of running.  Yes I played offensive line at Florida State and am big as a house but I never could run, just go out and jog.  Im telling ya I hope when I lose the weight I can run or jog.  Right now I walk a 3.7 mile loop near my house.  But I can't run.   I'll probably do the decafe thing cause I like coffee too much. Jack
wjoegreen
on 8/30/07 3:01 am - Colonial Heights, VA
Not a runner but have gone from walk to walk/jog and increasing the jog distance and speed.  I am down to 1 hr 10 min for 6 miles as of last night and while there are many faster and stronger, that is light years ahead of where I was.  And I am hoping to stay with it and get faster just as a personal goal.  I would turn back hand springs to do a 10K in under 60 minutes at 50 yrs old.  The recovery and Post-op journey has been nothing short of a miraculous experience but it has much to do with choosing to eat and drink right, take and ablance vitamn and mineral supplements, and choosing to exercise to get the desired results in a way that is for the long term. Another excellent article I got from Active.com is called Exercise versus Weight loss and ti talks about WLS post-op loss of two groups, those that exercise and those that don't.  I am pasting for edification.  Hope you benefit as much as I did.  It is consistent with success of the guys on the Boards like notDave, CardsFan, CarbonBlob, etc, and the teachings of our enlightened leader of wisdom and other related postings DxE.

Have You Misplaced Your Focus?   by Jeremy Gentles, BS, CSCS Exercise is no good for weight loss! Well, not exactly. While there are a number of benefits associated with bariatric surgery independent of weight loss, such as relief from Type II diabetes, loss of excess body weight remains the primary benefit of weight loss surgery. Unfortunately, for many individuals, weight loss is also considered to be the primary benefit of exercise. Why is this unfortunate, you ask? If exercise does significantly contribute to weight loss after bariatric surgery, great; but if it does not, and your focus remains losing weight through exercise, this goal may easily become a barrier to success. Exercise Is No Good for Weight Loss? There is a limited amount of research assessing the impact of exercise on total weight loss after bariatric surgery. However, the data that does exist is similar to what has been seen in individuals on clinically guided low-calorie or very-low-calorie diets. This is reasonable, as bariatric surgery includes anatomical adjustments to help control caloric intake versus the behavior modification and clinical supervision used in clinically guided nutrition and exercise programs.  A 2005 study in the journal Obesity Surgery looked at 100 duodenal switch patients preoperatively through 18 months post-operatively. The group was divided into exercise and non-exercise groups: the exercise group reported participating in exercise at least three times a week for no less than 30 minutes per session during the first six months after surgery, while the non-exercise group reported less or no exercise. Eighteen months after the duodenal switch, both groups had lost very similar amounts of total body weight. Yes, that’s right: those who did not exercise lost the same amount of weight as those who did. There was one key difference, of course! The exercise group had significantly higher levels of muscle tissue at the end of the study than those who did not exercise. This means that they also had lower body fat percentages and were stronger, more functional and more prepared for long-term weight-loss maintenance. Did these differences show up on the scale? Of course not, and neither will yours. You must be able to look deeper than the scale.  While exercise may not increase the total amount of weight loss during periods of significant caloric restriction, including after bariatric surgery, exercise is consistently a habit of those who achieve long-term success. Regular physical activity is a key component of maintaining weight loss, with or without bariatric surgery. Notice the word “maintaining”—this is extremely important. Exercise will help maintain the weight loss you have achieved through WLS, but most likely will not cause extensive weight loss itself. “Big deal!” you might say. “Isn’t this trivial?” Absolutely not.  Let me explain. Imagine being several months post-op WLS. You are satisfied with the amount of consistent weight loss you are achieving, but you feel you can do better, especially if you start exercising more regularly. You begin an exercise program, but several weeks into the program, your rate of weight loss has not significantly increased. For many obese individuals, this scenario is just another in a long list of failed attempts at exercise. Each time you fail, it makes successful long-term participation in an exercise program more difficult to attain.  What’s the problem? Is it that exercise does not dramatically increase weight loss after bariatric surgery, or is it the expectations we place upon exercise itself?  You must set yourself up for success, not failure. So where do you focus? A Healthy Focus No matter how ingrained it is in our heads that exercise causes weight loss, this is not always the case. However, the numerous benefits of exercise are often independent of weight loss. In other words, even if you never lose another pound in your life, exercise will enhance your health.  With weight loss off your mind (right?), you can focus on the other benefits of exercise. Without a doubt, exercise can help you become more functional, control your blood sugar, lower your cholesterol levels, and decrease your blood pressure. Moreover, the greatest decrease in disease ris****urs with moderate levels of physical activity. You don’t need to be able to run 10 miles to see real results. If you regularly mow your lawn (not riding), work in the garden, or walk for 30 minutes, you are well on your way to reaching the most important goal—health!  The power of exercise is not demonstrated on the scale, but in the way we feel. When it comes to exercise, a healthy focus is best. Jeremy Gentles, BS, CSCS is ObesityHelp’s staff health and fitness expert. Jeremy studied Exercise Science at East Tennessee State University and is a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (CSCS) through the National Strength and Conditioning Association (NSCA). His experiences include addressing the specific exercise and fitness needs of the obese and those who will undergo or have undergone bariatric surgery.

 

    
NotDave (Howyadoin?)
on 8/30/07 7:15 am - Japan

Joe, 

SoBe Lean...that's green tea extract, anything else good in it? Does it have Taurine? That's seems to work well.

Dave

wjoegreen
on 8/31/07 12:16 am - Colonial Heights, VA
Not the green tea extract there notDave. The SoBe Lean Diet Energy  dribk is a citrus flavored beverage. Herbal Content per bottle:  Citrimax 250 mg, Carnitine 50 mg, Guarana 25 mg, Taurine 16.5 mg Percent Daily Value of 2000 calorie diet:; 100% of Vit C & 30% Chromium 30% Ingredients: water, OJ concentrate, citric acid, natural flavor (dairy, soy, lemon juice concentrate), garcinia cambogia & extract, ascorbic acid (Vit C), pectin, gum arabic, acesulfame potassium, (splenda) sucralose, caffine, L-carnitine, ester gum, taurine, guarana seed extract, chromium picolinate, & beta carotene  And for the record (Jack, if you are still reading this stuff),... I was caffine clean pre-op, gave up soda (even my beloved diet coke) and ice cream, and no energey drinks in June 06, surgery on 26 Sept 06.  Didn't try energy drinks again until hitting an serious lack of energy wall in my 10K training in mid January 07 (3.5 months post-op). So how long before you are FaginDave?? HIIT roadwork is working for me.  I did a 10K in 1 hr 10 mins Wednesday evening, thats down from 1 hr 20 after just two weeks and from my March 10K time of 1 hr 38 min.  So, rather than being content, I am planning a secret attack on my brother inlaw (1 hr 10 min 10Ker) to try and be able to finish in under 60 mins before race date Oct 13.  Hope I don't injure myself ansd miss the race altogether!!!!
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