Question about the pouch's ability to break food down (or not)

Triple-Beast
on 8/5/07 5:08 am
Okay!  Let me see if I understand how this new digestive system works after RNY. Please put your 2 cents in so that I may understand it better. I know there are plenty of knowledgable guys out there that can clear this up for me! From what I understand, the surgeon takes a small section of the stomach where the esophogus enters and seals that off into your pouch. No alterations are made where the esophogus enters. This pouch is comprised of the upper region of the stomach that is far less flexible than the lower portion, which puts away the theory of stretching your pouch easily because it isn't as elastic as some would say. You now have a completely sealed pouch and the remainder of your stomach is also sealed with the small intestine exiting out the bottom. The surgeon measures off about 20 inches of small intestine from where it comes from the stomach and snips it there. The main stomach still produces the gastric juices needed for digestion, and they will meet up with the food at a designated point later.  The remainder of the small intestine is brought up and attached to the pouch. (minus the 20 inches that is still coming off the main stomach unattached at this point) And then the section of small intestine that comes off the main stomach is attached to the small intestine a little further down the line so that the gastric juices produced by the stomach can meet up with the food to break it down. Where the connection is made determines how much absorbtion time/ability you will have to suck up the nutrients and calories from food. I know this is oversimplified and not necessarily in the correct order, but does this sound right? Question:  Does the new pouch secrete gastric juices to break down food? If not, then how does the food work its way through the pencil eraser sized hole the surgeon made at the bottom of the new pouch? It seems that it would easily clog up there without any chemical breakdown. Thanks in advance for your input!!
Dx E
on 8/5/07 7:24 am - Northern, MS

Ah Ha! "Does the new pouch secrete gastric juices to break down food?" There’s a question that has a Yes & No answer… my favorite kind… Secretions that would warrant the label- "Gastric Juices?" Not completely. "Digestive Juices?" Yes! Digestion starts just inside the lips and continues to the toilet. Saliva is a very powerful digestive juice actually. Couple of "experiments with early digestion?" Protein- take a small piece of beef jerky and keep it in your mouth. See how long you can Keep it like a "Chaw-of-Tobacco," over in one cheek. What starts as a hard leathery bit, will be all but mush In less than 30 minutes. Add a little chewing, And it’ll be mostly the consistency of a protein shake. Yes, some strands of tendon and sinew will remain tough as a rope. That’s the stuff that needs the Hydrochloric acids of "gastric juices" to liquefy it. For starches? Easier, clearer example of saliva breaking down starch. Take a plain ole- Saltine Cracker. Pop half of it in your mouth and chew, Notice the taste- salty and that "Toasted Flour" taste. Keep chewing it…..around the end on one minute, You’ll notice a sweet taste starting to develop. That’s the simple starches already breaking down into simpler starches and glucose. Yep, digested mostly before it ever leaves your mouth. Now, if it was just "Spit & Stomach Acid" That made up the whole of the "Digestive Juices" stock of "juices" that would be enough To deal with about half of the foods you eat. BUT- Every membrane from the mouth to the tail Is releasing some form of mucus. The esophagus lining produces sialomucin (A mucin [mucus type]containing sialic acid.) it also produces a neutral PH mucus as well, Along with many enzymes, all aimed at digesting the food Even before it hits the pouch. The pouch also secretes mucus. Swallow a chunk of un-chewed chicken or wad of soft bread And a quick case of the "foamies" will let you see- "Dam! That’s a lot of Slimy Snot coming from one little pouch!!" It will "easily clog up" if you don't chew well enough. And even at that- Soft bread can "getcha!" So yes, the lower stomach gastric juices don’t mix back with the food (in an RNY post-op****il they all meet up at the "Y in the Road." But long before the food gets there, it has been thoroughly "Slimed" with digestion. Chewing is primary to digestion And one of the things that must be done well to prevent that feeling of swallowing a cue-ball. The pouch primarily slowly squeezes well chewed, slimy food That is in the process already, of breaking down into absorbable liquid nutrients, through the little stoma at the bottom Where continued peristalsis, massages it on through the system. A simplified "fun" Overview of digestion, Is available in "flash form" at- Hopkins Digestive System

Just adjust the plumbing diagram to match your particular procedure. I’m a total nerd-geek when it comes to all of this. It’s like being a living part of the Discovery Channel. So short answer? Yes. And No. Sorry for the babble… Best Wishes- Dx

 Capricious;  Impulsive,  Semi-Predictable       

wjoegreen
on 8/5/07 7:38 am - Colonial Heights, VA
I cannot compete with DxE but if I can give it a short version shot, I'd lie a try,.... What you explained is correct except the pencil size opeing is going into the new pouch for some of us as well.  I got a plastic collar at the top of the pouch to minimize food going in; to help keep the pouch its new smaller size for a longer adjustment/healing period.  Prpbably need some calrity from your specific surgeon as to what he does.  They all have their persoanl tweaks of technique but the overall is the same general version of the RNY surgery. The opening, regardless of which end or both is why you must chew chew chew your food and wahy liquids are prescribed during healing.  Insufficient chewing will cause things to come back and clogging is possible.  But nothing a hour or so of digestion and pain or some minor barfing and foaming, won't clear up.  Its an initiation thing I think.  Been there, done that! The new pouch , being part of the old stomach, does secrete digestive juices but it is a small part of the old motor, like cutting off the last cylinder.  It just ain't got the ability/ponies to get-r-done, and does even less during the initial healing period. But its get more efficient as it heals and conforms to the new arrangement.  But it can never do what the old stomach does so they leave the old stomach in and attach it farther down.  It shrinks cause it isn't getting the food anymore so it take lots less room as it shrinks in ths belly area. You seem to have it down pretty good.  Kudos
Triple-Beast
on 8/5/07 7:52 am
Great replies from 2 very knowledgable guys!  Now I'll have to check out that link from Dex.  Thanks!
Dx E
on 8/5/07 11:51 am - Northern, MS

For a series of Anatomical explanations (digestion included) This link is pretty good- Systems Overviews

 

Actually this following site is the one I thought I had linked earlier- Digestion

 

It’s the one I used most often and is not flash, but inter-linked throughout… It’s been a while since I went looking at some of this stuff… Best Wishes- Dx

mystmanpdx
on 8/6/07 5:10 am - Everett, WA

You got the procedure down very well.  From the research that I've done, the digestive juices (bile, etc) is mostly generated at the bottom of the stomach which is bypassed after the procedure.  The pouch created post-surgery is made more out of the muscular part of the stomach which creates the muscular contractions that make the food digest.  The bile that chemically breaks down food conjucts later down in the small intestine where the bottom of the Y is created.  I think this is why (not only because it aggreviates the small intestines) they tell us not to drink and eat solids at the same time initially because the little amount of digestive juices that may be there and saliva, doesn't get diluted with water.

Most Active
Sunday Weigh In
Don 1962 · 3 replies · 35 views
Recent Topics
Sunday Weigh In
Don 1962 · 3 replies · 35 views
Sunday Weigh In
Don 1962 · 4 replies · 56 views
Inaugural Sunday Weigh In
Don 1962 · 3 replies · 76 views
Sunday Weigh In
82much · 2 replies · 91 views
Sunday Weigh In
Don 1962 · 2 replies · 124 views
×