Crappy Calcium

drewschwartz
on 6/14/07 2:53 am - South Plainfield, NJ
My NUT told me as part of my daily regimen, that I need 1000MG of Calcium a day, which I am assuming is normal for all people here. I got a good powder at vitamin shoppe, recommended by the manager( first mistake) It has calcium and magnesium.  Good deal.  I was only putting a teaspoon into my morning shake, thinking that was correct.  Well, I took a good look at the label the other day and realized it wasnt a teaspoon, it was a table spoon.   oops.  I hate measures so much, I am terrible at it.  Give me any kind of network or server problem, and i can solve it, but I cant tell you how many teaspoons are a cup., Anyway, I realized I was taking too little, so now in each morning shake I put 1 scoop of protein in 1 cup of skim milk, with 1 scoop of this calcium stuff.  Heres the problem.  Its totally chalky and powdery, it really doesnt dissolve and makes the already bad shake terrible. My question is this, and I would ask my NUT, but she really isnt the best, and I dont like talking with her that much, she doesnt pay attention, and NEVER makes eye contact, and its quite frustrating (I will be complaining about her when I go next in 2 weeks) Whatcha all doin about calcium?  I figure pills arent the best, but is there a powder that actually disolves, or a liquid that people like and would be good for me?  And, also, I am 1 month out and yesterday was weighed at 298, down from surgery day of 246.  FIrst time I hit under 300 since, well since I cant remember when, but a long ass time to be sure.
Doug Such
on 6/14/07 3:29 am - Northern, CA
I chew one or two Citracal Creamy (or Chewy) Bites. They come in chocolate, lemon, and caramel and taste pretty good to me. Our NUT and nurse recommended them. Each chewable has 35 calories and 4g of sugars. The sugar has not caused me to dump and the 35 cals is no biggie, either. They can be expensive ($8 or so for 30), but Walgreens, etc. often have them on sale. Whatever you do, be sure the calcium you chose is calcium citrate--our bodies need that form for absorption. Great job on the weight loss! Now maybe treat yourself to a calcium for desert!

Doug

If we're treading on thin ice we might as well dance.--Jesse Winchester

ardbeg
on 6/14/07 3:40 am - AL
Congrats on a great first month. For one thing, make sure you are taking calcium citrate, not calcium carbonate.  The former is better absorbed post-op. As for me, I take 2 pills with 315 mg calcium citrate plus 200mg Vitamin D per pill.  If you took 3 that would get you approximately 1000mg.  Citrical +D is the dominant brand.  I buy a generic at Sam's Club that is much cheaper. As for how to take them, at first I was grinding them up and putting them in a shake, but that was just gross.  Now I just chew and wash them down with some water or protein shake, one in the morning and one when I get home from work.  They don't taste bad like medicine; they don't taste like anything, really.  The tablets are very crumbly; I suspect you could just swallow them and they'd dissolve pretty well, though I wouldn't try that until I was several months out from surgery.
Michael B.
on 6/14/07 3:42 am - Gilbert, AZ
Drew: Like doug said it needs to Calcium Citrate, the other less expensive form - calcium carbonate is not absorbed well, and with our malabsorbtive plumbing, it really doesn't absorb well at all. Like Doug said the Citracal Creamy Bites are a good way to go. They taste good and will make you look forward to taking them. My program specified that I was to wait until 3 months post-op to use those instead of chewable tablets, but when I complained that I couldn't stand those chalk hockey pucks they let me switch early (at about 1 month post-op) Generally the pills you swallow are huge and hard to swallow like the ones I am trying to use up right now, but I heard there are Citracaal Petites that are smaller and easier to get down. One last note, I have been told that it is important not to take all of the calcium at once. there is a limit to how much  you can absorb at once, so I take half in the morning and half at night. Hope this helps...

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drewschwartz
on 6/14/07 4:18 am - South Plainfield, NJ
Thanks for the advice,  I will check out the citrical today when I leave work.  Also, I wasn't aware of the limit of absorbtion at one time, I probably have been not getting nearly enough.  Thats another good thing to know.
jpcolter
on 6/14/07 4:20 am, edited 6/14/07 4:22 am - San Francisco, CA
There was a really good post within the last couple of weeks by Dx.  It has lots of good info on calcium and what the best form to take is. I switched from taking Tums that has calcium carbonate to calcium citrate because calcuim citrate is absorbed better. I figure if I have to take something that tastes like chalk, I want it to be absorbed as much as possible.  Here's a link to the post: http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/men/a,messageboard/action,replies/board_id,5479/cat_id,5079/topic_id,3310152/ So, I found a calcium citrate supplement at Walgreens made by Natures Best that also has Vitamin D which is needed to facilitate calcium absorption. The pills are chewable (but chalky) and generally flavorless.  Not  great but  3 pills is about all that is needed daily and it's tolerable.  I'm still looking for a calcium citrate with vitamin D that is truly  chewable tho.  JP
Dx E
on 6/14/07 8:35 am - Northern, MS
Drew, Here's the link from my previous post-

http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/men/a,messageboard/action, replies/board_id,5479/cat_id,5079/topic_id,3310152/    Hope it works...may have to copy/paste into browser... And- Like Ardbeg above, I DID take two Citacals...But don't now... a bit of explanation for my "One" Calcium Citrate, when the full dose for the 630mgs is 2--- I do take less…than the 2 capsule dose… e x p l a i n i n g… Early out, my doc had me on just tums- first 6 weeks home from hospital while insides were still healing. ( I had extreme "stitching work." ) Then he switched me to 800mgs Calcium Citrate-Malate Combo (Chelated Calcium pared with Malic Acid) That’s a particularly absorbable source for RNYer’s. Did that till blood work-up at year one. Apparently, when combined with my typical diet, I was edging up toward the ‘top end’ of Calcium level. More than 1000 IU of Calcium tends to interfere with absorption of zinc, magnesium, iron, phosphorus, etc… My magnesium levels were dead center of optimum, and increase in calcium but not magnesium intakes, causes an imbalance in optimal calcium to magnesium ratios. When calcium in the body is too high compared to magnesium, excess calcium (free Calcium) deposits in the soft tissues. With my Heart Valve being an easy target for calcification of surrounding tissue, he dropped me back to 2 CitraCals with D (Total dose-630mg / VitD 400IU) and then 3 months later, (my blood is checked very often due to all of the surgeries in the first years) He had me drop back to only one of them. A lot of it IS due to my Dairy consumption. I haven’t had any Lactose intolerance problems after the first 5 months so I get in at least 2 to 4 full dairy servings a day. Skim Milk - 1 cup = 302 Mgs Elemental Calcium Yogurt – 8oz = 400 Mgs Elemental Calcium And I Love Fat Free Sour Cream in/on most everything!! It adds up pretty quick. I had a ‘dex-scan’ back in September and all is well. Back then my exercise included very regular jogging, something I’ve got to get back into the habit of doing more consistently. That medium impact exercising does wonders for putting the Calcium into the bones. ---- not just the Calcium...Vitamins in general------- One Last Vitamin Tip- (last? Who am I kidding….. This Horse will die from over-indulgence of grass, long before I stop the infomercials!  J ) I used to read all the time on the Grads Board of folks- Not absorbing their Vitamins, Which Vitamins to Take, Avoid, etc… Thought I’d pass on an old tip from my Doc. Early on chew them! That’s why so many of the Docs prescribe Children’s Chew-ables and Tums for Calcium. These are Great early on, but not enough Calcium or Vitamins Later.  Just cruise the Grads Board and read some of the crap that happens to folks who don’t get in enough Vitamins, and you’ll be "All About" some Vitamins! (not for Banders, it’s not a problem they face) So, Here’s the tip- If you don’t get the chewable adult vitamins- like Bariatric Vitamins Or Centrum Silver or such, you run the risk of the Vitamin passing on by Your "receptor sites" in your intestines before they have time to dissolve. A lot of pill go plunk in the toilet from By-passers. But, you don’t have to keep chewing all of your pills Once your past those first months and over the surgical trauma. Take your pill and place it in a cup of warm water. If after 5 minutes, it’s not dissolving or disintegrating? Then it will most likely zip right on past your absorption areas In your intestines while still a solid little pill. If it doesn’t "break down" in the water, then break it or bite it Before swallowing. Side Note:----My Doc isn’t a ‘Nutritionist’ But he came into Bariatric Practice with a major interest in all things "gut related." He had been a vascular surgeon who had a run in with colon cancer. Went on to follow up med school with specialist training as a gastroenterologist, And is "All About" some intestines. Sort of a Man with a Mission. I love that about him. Sort of the "Born Again Guts Guy!" When my intestines burst further down the pipe (Not due to the surgery, but rather my systems response to waking from the anesthesia) He was like the shoe-makers elves putting me back together. Now with the Vitamins? My solution is often just to chew up the Dam things Whether they were ‘designed’ to be or not. Sure, it tastes like chewing up a piece of chalk, but I don’t take for the taste.  A swig of water later, and even the worst tasting "Urinal-Cake" of a Vitamin is just a memory. I do the same with my Citracals.  No taste issue, but even if there was?--I don't take 'em for the Flavor.  Yes? All this to say- Take your Frickin’ Vitamins / Calcium, and most importantly-- Make sure you are absorbing them! Drop one in some water to check yours out. No one gets points for the number of intake pills down the crapper! Best Wishes-Mike Wazowski Dx

  Hope it works...may have to copy/paste into browser...And-
HePaid4That
on 6/14/07 12:14 pm

I get the calcium pills through www.bestbariatricsupply.com  taste great, less filling, but I get my calcium in.

 

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